Coronavirus

[daveeb]

Originally Posted by Pierre

Like isolating for a few days, not coming if they have symptoms or have been with in contact with someone that has had symptoms.

Not rocket science. Just what sensible people that aren't scared of their own shadow will do.

Instead cowering alone behind a curtain waiting for the world to end.

You obviously haven't worked 10 hour shifts on a Covid ward like two of my family members have. Plenty of under 60's on there who thought it was nothing to worry about. Nothing to do with cowering, more about a little bit of patience, common sense and some consideration for others if not for yourself.

[Pierre]

There's some real BS on here at the moment, but I'll humour you.

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

a) asking them to provide evidence of a negative test before entry?

No, no need. ( BTW My school hasn't asked for a negative test for my kids to attend.)

b) temperature scanning people on entry to your house?

That would come under "showing symptoms" header

c) asking people to self isolate/quarantine for the required ten days before attending your house?

That requirement is only if you have had symptoms or been in close contact with some that has had symptoms.

There is no such requirement for visiting people or people visiting. but I have requested 3days which is above and beyond what is currently required.

d) Asking people to wear masks whilst inside your house?

we're not a shop, so there is no such requirement

e) maintain social distancing whilst guests are in your home but not at your table

That is brilliant, quite brilliant. This is where the country is at the moment. If you can't see the rank stupidity in that sentence......well. Or are you just taking the piss for a laugh?

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Originally Posted by daveeb

You obviously haven't worked 10 hour shifts on a Covid ward like two of my family members have

You're right I haven't, and neither have you.

Plenty of under 60's on there who thought it was nothing to worry about.

I didn't say it wasn't anything to worry about.

As I said I will be taking reasonable precautions.

Nothing to do with cowering, more about a little bit of patience, common sense and some consideration for others if not for yourself.

I am using common sense and I haven't invited anyone else that I don't know that I have to consider.

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Originally Posted by daveeb

You obviously haven't worked 10 hour shifts on a Covid ward like two of my family members have

you're right I haven't, and neither have you.

Plenty of under 60's on there who thought it was nothing to worry about

I didn't say it was nothing to worry and I'm taking sensible precautions

Nothing to do with cowering, more about a little bit of patience, common sense and some consideration for others if not for yourself.

I am using common sense, and I've not invited any strangers to consider.

Originally Posted by Chris

The chances of anything coming from Mars are a million to one, he said ...

But still they come!...

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Originally Posted by papa smurf

When did following Government guidelines become "selfish signalling" was it when you mounted your high horse and clip clopped up to the moral high ground for yet another drivel based sermon, just asking for a friend who want's to come to xmas lunch without being vilified by the morality police.

Touched a nerve?

I didn't mention you, but anyway, I can't believe what you said...






(that you have a friend... )

[daveeb]

Originally Posted by Pierre

There's some real BS on here at the moment, but I'll humour you.



No, no need. ( BTW My school hasn't asked for a negative test for my kids to attend.)



That would come under "showing symptoms" header



That requirement is only if you have had symptoms or been in close contact with some that has had symptoms.

There is no such requirement for visiting people or people visiting. but I have requested 3days which is above and beyond what is currently required.



we're not a shop, so there is no such requirement



That is brilliant, quite brilliant. This is where the country is at the moment. If you can't see the rank stupidity in that sentence......well. Or are you just taking the piss for a laugh?

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You're right I haven't, and neither have you.


I didn't say it wasn't anything to worry about.

As I said I will be taking reasonable precautions.



I am using common sense and I haven't invited anyone else that I don't know that I have to consider.

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you're right I haven't, and neither have you.



I didn't say it was nothing to worry and I'm taking sensible precautions



I am using common sense, and I've not invited any strangers to consider.

I was referring to unfortunate strangers who come in to contact with your guests at a later date.


So if someone who rolls up to your place is asymptomatic for the virus which of your "sensible precautions" are going to prevent them from infecting others in your house and then strangers further afield.


I'm sure you'll have a watertight plan and you could maybe pass the info on to the medical authorities.

[jonbxx]

Personally, if my elderly parents, one of whom is very much in the vulnerable category, got infected with this disease due to my actions, I would be mortified. With my kids being in school, the chances of it hanging around are higher than many so it's Teams calls for now until this all dies down through isolation or vaccination.

The chances of getting infected are low but the consequences of an infection are high so I will give it a miss for now. If others want to take chances, it's their prerogative as long as they are willing to accept the consequences if things do go wrong

[heero_yuy]

Quote from The Sun:

The risk of coronavirus transmission inside the home has been "overstated", a top expert has claimed.

Paul Hunter, a professor in medicine at the University of East Anglia, said the chance of catching Covid from someone at home is one in five.

He claims that drops to around one in eight if you live with someone for less than five days.

It comes as Boris Johnson urged people to "exercise extreme caution" and avoid seeing elderly relatives at Christmas as efforts to maintain a UK-wide approach to easing coronavirus rules faltered.

[daveeb]

One in five or even one in eight is very high risk. A 1% risk is considered high when looking at mortality rates for operations, illnesses etc.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by daveeb

I was referring to unfortunate strangers who come in to contact with your guests at a later date.

my guests are all very sensible.

So if someone who rolls up to your place is asymptomatic for the virus which of your "sensible precautions" are going to prevent them from infecting others in your house and then strangers further afield.

What if my wife is asymptomatic, what if my kids are? Should I lock them out just in case?

Are you telling me you let family members into you house and you don’t know if they’re asymptomatic ? That’s very irresponsible of you.

I'm sure you'll have a watertight plan and you could maybe pass the info on to the medical authorities.

Who are the medical “authorities”?

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by jonbxx

Personally, if my elderly parents, one of whom is very much in the vulnerable category, got infected with this disease due to my actions, I would be mortified. With my kids being in school, the chances of it hanging around are higher than many so it's Teams calls for now until this all dies down through isolation or vaccination.

The chances of getting infected are low but the consequences of an infection are high so I will give it a miss for now. If others want to take chances, it's their prerogative as long as they are willing to accept the consequences if things do go wrong

The danger with this virus is those that contract it with no symptoms. However they can still pass it on to a vulnerable person. If mass testing ever got off the ground we could maybe be more confident. However a lot has been promised and not delivered.

[daveeb]

Originally Posted by Pierre

my guests are all very sensible.




What if my wife is asymptomatic, what if my kids are? Should I lock them out just in case?

Are you telling me you let family members into you house and you don’t know if they’re asymptomatic ? That’s very irresponsible of you.




Who are the medical “authorities”?

Clearly you're in a bubble with the immediate family so what happens happens, all in it together to quote an old favourite.



The medical authorities are any of the health services who can gain valuable knowledge from your expertise in these matters.

[papa smurf]

What if the turkey has bird flue.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

What if the turkey has bird flue.

It'll stop gobbling.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by daveeb

Clearly you're in a bubble with the immediate family so what happens happens, all in it together to quote an old favourite.

Don’t you see the futility of the argument you have just tried to make.

If they’re asymptomatic it doesn’t matter a jot if you’re in a bubble. My asymptomatic son could come home and infect us all. His asymptomatic elder brother could go back to school and infect his class.

I could go out and infect someone, even when taking pre-cautions etc, etc.

So trying call someone out as being reckless for not taking into account whether guests they may have over at Christmas is pointless and hypocritical- unless they text everyone in their bubble every time they leave the house.

The medical authorities are any of the health services who can gain valuable knowledge from your expertise in these matters.

I can’t tell them nothing they don’t already know.

[daveeb]

Originally Posted by Pierre

Don’t you see the futility of the argument you have just tried to make.

If they’re asymptomatic it doesn’t matter a jot if you’re in a bubble. My asymptomatic son could come home and infect us all. His asymptomatic elder brother could go back to school and infect his class.

I could go out and infect someone, even when taking pre-cautions etc, etc.

So trying call someone out as being reckless for not taking into account whether guests they may have over at Christmas is pointless and hypocritical- unless they text everyone in their bubble every time they leave the house.


I can’t tell them nothing they don’t already know.

You mentioned BS earlier and you're proving your point nicely above.
You can't control who is normally in your house or to an extent where they've been. What you have described does happen and if/when discovered you all isolate. You don't however have to have multiple extra people in the house, that's an avoidable risk you choose to take.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by daveeb

that's an avoidable risk you choose to take.

For Christmas it is yes.

So won’t criticise you for being a worrying Grinch that wants everyone to unreasonably spend Christmas in isolation even though they accept the futility of it.

And you don’t criticise me for being an outrageous risk taker just because I want a few in-laws over for Christmas dinner whilst being sensible and following current guidance.

And the country will be happier place.