UK & EU Agree Post-Brexit Trade Deal

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

No offence to Cable Forum here. But why would a post on a forum focused around UK cable TV encourage the EU to wait until the UK negotiating team rolls over?

I referred to "that mentality" not "that post".

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

No offence to Cable Forum here. But why would a post on a forum focused around UK cable TV encourage the EU to wait until the UK negotiating team rolls over?

You're running out of valid arguments, Andrew!

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by nomadking

I referred to "that mentality" not "that post".

Do you think that the UK and EU negotiators read Cable Forum, agree with Mr K's post, and then negotiate accordingly? Trying to generalise it as a mentality without an iota of supporting evidence doesn't cut the mustard. French or English.

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth

You're running out of valid arguments, Andrew!

If someone thinks that a post on Cable Forum somehow reflects the mentality of the country and that the EU would even be bothered if it did reflect the mentality of the country cannot be repudiated by valid arguments.

[Mr K]

The deadlines been extended., now there's a surprise ! It will keep being extended as no deal is not an option. Our bluff has been called again and again.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Do you think that the UK and EU negotiators read Cable Forum, agree with Mr K's post, and then negotiate accordingly? Trying to generalise it as a mentality without an iota of supporting evidence doesn't cut the mustard. French or English.

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[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Mr K

The deadlines been extended., now there's a surprise ! It will keep being extended as no deal is not an option. Our bluff has been called again and again.

Good news - surely won't be no deal now.

It's good news that the good will still exists, however they could hardly have not agreed to keep talking, could they? How would that have looked? Some of you arch remainer usual suspects on here would have had an absolute field day.

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Do you think that the UK and EU negotiators read Cable Forum, agree with Mr K's post, and then negotiate accordingly? Trying to generalise it as a mentality without an iota of supporting evidence doesn't cut the mustard. French or English.

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If someone thinks that a post on Cable Forum somehow reflects the mentality of the country and that the EU would even be bothered if it did reflect the mentality of the country cannot be repudiated by valid arguments.

It's an example the wider mentality that pervades. To deny that is quite ridiculous, along with the notion that the EU hasn't constantly been given the impression by people with that sort of mentality, that the UK might give in, if the EU holds out. Why else do you think the EU(ie France and Germany) came up with new demands that went against the Political Declaration.



So nobody whatsoever has tried desperately tried to block Brexit?

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Originally Posted by Chris

It's good news that the good will still exists, however they could hardly have not agreed to keep talking, could they? How would that have looked? Some of you arch remained usual suspects on here would have had an absolute field day.

We should have walked away a long time ago, until they ended their ridiculous new demands. Nothing can happen until the EU gives up on those demands.

If the EU was even remotely interested in getting a reasonable deal, then one could easily have been found, but no, they had to be difficult and awkward.

They’re sounding more positive. Looks like the EU have moved a tad on the level playing field

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Chris

It's good news that the good will still exists, however they could hardly have not agreed to keep talking, could they? How would that have looked? Some of you arch remainer usual suspects on here would have had an absolute field day.

Are you suggesting it's all choreographed and there was no plan to stop talking? I don't discount that theory, people will read no-deal horror stories in the Sunday newspapers today and will be happier with whatever deal the EU and BoJo sign up to than if the likelihood of no-deal and its implications hadn't been suggested as a strong possibility.

Originally Posted by Damien

They’re sounding more positive. Looks like the EU have moved a tad on the level playing field

I suspect the coastal states are now genuinely worried about fishing. Deploying the Royal Navy and then getting senior Tory backbenchers to object was a master stroke which made the threat look credible. Once the EU understands that we are actually ready to walk away, they might begin being pragmatic about a trade deal rather than continuing this rather silly ideological attempt to make an example of a country that dared to break free.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by nomadking

It's an example the wider mentality that pervades. To deny that is quite ridiculous, along with the notion that the EU hasn't constantly been given the impression by people with that sort of mentality, that the UK might give in, if the EU holds out. Why else do you think the EU(ie France and Germany) came up with new demands that went against the Political Declaration.

So nobody whatsoever has tried desperately tried to block Brexit?

It's a Brexit government and it's the year of our Lord 2020. Sorry to disappoint you but the EU is not interested in the opinions of British randoms on Cable Forum, Twitter or more widely.

It knows there's a government with a strong majority in the UK for four years and it knows what its negotiating objectives are. If you persist in believing that the EU's demands are linked to the vagaries of British opinion then there's little I can do about it.

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Are you suggesting it's all choreographed and there was no plan to stop talking? I don't discount that theory, people will read no-deal horror stories in the Sunday newspapers today and will be happier with whatever deal the EU and BoJo sign up to than if the likelihood of no-deal and its implications hadn't been suggested as a strong possibility.

No, I don’t think it’s choreographed, but neither do I think there was much chance of this morning’s phone call resulting in an end to negotiations.

And for what it’s worth I really don’t buy in to the theory that Boris is preparing for a “sorry but it’s the best we could do” moment over a naff deal signed some time next week. The rhetoric has been strident and continues to be so. He would have no reason to back himself into a corner like this if he had even an inkling that he might have to sign it all away.

No matter how understandable the EU’s demands are on their own terms, they are absolutely unacceptable to the UK based on the UK’s stated policy aims with regards to business and market regulation, and sovereign control of our maritime EEZ. If there is a deal (and I think it’s still unlikely), the EU is going to have to accept things are changing in the direction we have indicated, and the very best they are going to get is a negotiated transition period with a fixed end date, that can be terminated by either party with reasonable notice.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Chris

No, I don’t think it’s choreographed, but neither do I think there was much chance of this morning’s phone call resulting in an end to negotiations.

And for what it’s worth I really don’t buy in to the theory that Boris is preparing for a “sorry but it’s the best we could do” moment over a naff deal signed some time next week. The rhetoric has been strident and continues to be so. He would have no reason to back himself into a corner like this if he had even an inkling that he might have to sign it all away.

No matter how understandable the EU’s demands are on their own terms, they are absolutely unacceptable to the UK based on the UK’s stated policy aims with regards to business and market regulation, and sovereign control of our maritime EEZ. If there is a deal (and I think it’s still unlikely), the EU is going to have to accept things are changing in the direction we have indicated, and the very best they are going to get is a negotiated transition period with a fixed end date, that can be terminated by either party with reasonable notice.

I don't think this has all been choreographed perfectly but talk of deploying the Royal Navy and the deadline finishing after the Sunday papers had all gone to press and were being read all look well timed.

Fishing looks more like the length of the transition period, enabling all to adapt.

In terms of how the UK will regulate itself post-Brexit, I don't see the UK going down the light-touch regulation route. I don't think it's imposing on the UK's sovereignty if a mechanism is set up that ended a free trade deal if the UK or EU did introduce legislation that made either a significant light-regulatory touch competitor. A free trade agreement is a privilege between two trading blocs or countries, it's not a right and surely such deals are always reviewed anyway.

I believe a deal will be struck.

[Carth]

The only way a deal will be struck is if the EU concede a few points . . .


. . .and according to certain posters on here, why should they

No deal all the way