UK & EU Agree Post-Brexit Trade Deal

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by nomadking

What's that got to do with your reference to food not being cheaper?
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It shows that it's unlikely we'll reduce tariffs on staple foods to make it cheaper.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Pierre

Because we buy loads of stuff from them, and they buy loads of stuff from us and ( chinks in the armour have shown). They fish in our seas.

That’s why

But you have to accept there comes a point where a union of 20 odd countries and 350 plus millions people just walk away and go “we can make up for that gap ourselves”.

I’m not saying this is the point. However if, as our politicians claim, we can happily proceed with no deal over a bad one then surely our negotiating opponents have a similar point.

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

It shows that it's unlikely we'll reduce tariffs on staple foods to make it cheaper.

1) you never said that.
2) Quite a bit of an unfounded assumption, ie made up to suit the agenda.

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by Pierre

Because we buy loads of stuff from them, and they buy loads of stuff from us and ( chinks in the armour have shown). They fish in our seas.

That’s why

Well they don't see us as that important obviously.

However we shouldn't have based our decision to leave on the basis they would give us a wonderful deal on a platter. We should have prepared to stand on own feet. Seems we didn't genuinely plan for that.

We have an idiot PM who's aping a conflict with the French with our massive armada of 4 boats. He's thinks he's Thatcher in the Falklands, she had a few more boats... The Russians will be loving this, their objective achieved.

[1andrew1]

People say that BoJo can't be trusted. Perhaps they're a being a bit harsh. In 2017, he promised he would make a Titanic success of Brexit. He's delivered on this promise so far.

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by jfman

But you have to accept there comes a point where a union of 20 odd countries and 350 plus millions people just walk away and go “we can make up for that gap ourselves”.

I’m not saying this is the point. However if, as our politicians claim, we can happily proceed with no deal over a bad one then surely our negotiating opponents have a similar point.

Ireland would be unable to make up any gap. Basically they would be well and truly stuffed.
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In a worst case scenario there could be huge number of job losses and a drop in living standards due to a loss of trade in the weeks after Brexit.
But one of the first things the pubic might notice is an acute shortage of medicines within days after Britain crashes out of the EU.
Around 4,000 or 60-70% of medicines in Ireland come from or via the UK and the Government has confirmed this supply will be threatened by a no-deal Brexit.
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Electricity and gas prices could spiral as almost 90% of Ireland’s total energy requirements are imported, and most of it comes from or through the UK.
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Around two-thirds of the products on Irish supermarket shelves are made in the UK or come through that country.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by nomadking

1) you never said that.
2) Quite a bit of an unfounded assumption, ie made up to suit the agenda.

Alas not unfounded. you can check the tariffs out for yourself. https://www.check-future-uk-trade-ta...=lamb&n=25&p=1

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by nomadking

Ireland would be unable to make up any gap. Basically they would be well and truly stuffed.
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Not as stuffed as us.

Its the delight Brexiteers take in the damage it might do to other countries that is pitiful.

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Not unfounded. you can check the tariffs out for yourself.

Your claim was:-

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

It shows that it's unlikely we'll reduce tariffs on staple foods to make it cheaper.

We can make imported foods cheaper, if we so wish. Just as Japan has no tariffs on imported sheep meat.

Originally Posted by nomadking

Your claim was:-
We can make imported foods cheaper, if we so wish. Just as Japan has no tariffs on imported sheep meat.

Cheaper than the no tariffs we have with the EU at present?

[1andrew1]

Project ̶F̶e̶a̶r̶ Reality

Cornwall could be "significantly worse off" after Brexit, receiving just 5% of what it needs to replace EU funding, according to a local councillor.

As one of the poorest areas of the UK, Cornwall applied for £700m over 10 years from the government to replace EU payments.

However, there are fears that the county could get as little as £1.8m in the first year.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cornwall-55279468

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by Mr K

Not as stuffed as us.

Its the delight Brexiteers take in the damage it might do to other countries that is pitiful.

The "delight" is from the Irish and the Remain supporters. It is they who all along have constantly promoted the idea that the UK will simply roll over and give in.


The claim was made that the EU would be able to make up any gap.

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Originally Posted by Hugh

Cheaper than the no tariffs we have with the EU at present?

The original claim that I replied to, was about the cost with tariffs, not without.

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Project ̶F̶e̶a̶r̶ Reality

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cornwall-55279468

How much of the EU money went on one-off projects? Eg The Eden project.
The bulk of "EU money" spent in the actually comes from the UK, because of the way the EU rebate works. It is knocked off the starting figure for the rebate, so than means an absolute minimum of 66% of the "EU money" has come from the UK. Eg if £300m is spent by the EU in the UK, then the rebate is reduced by £200m.
The money for Cornwall comes from various "pots", not just the one listed.
We're not going to simply hand over the sort of money for big projects without checking them out etc. It's not meant to be a blank cheque to spend on whatever they want.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by nomadking

Ireland would be unable to make up any gap. Basically they would be well and truly stuffed.
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All of these scenarios assume no intervention by the EU who, presumably on the brink of collapse because of a change in their fish diet, would throw everything at keeping it together.

[Julian]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Project ̶F̶e̶a̶r̶ Reality

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cornwall-55279468

So yet another could be type article being classed as reality.

Are we surprised that a labour councillor is making anti-government noises......

It's the delight some people take in hoping that everything Brexit related fails that is pitiful.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by nomadking

How much of the EU money went on one-off projects? Eg The Eden project.
The bulk of "EU money" spent in the actually comes from the UK, because of the way the EU rebate works. It is knocked off the starting figure for the rebate, so than means an absolute minimum of 66% of the "EU money" has come from the UK. Eg if £300m is spent by the EU in the UK, then the rebate is reduced by £200m.
The money for Cornwall comes from various "pots", not just the one listed.
We're not going to simply hand over the sort of money for big projects without checking them out etc. It's not meant to be a blank cheque to spend on whatever they want.

All largely irrelevant. That reduction will weaken the prosperity of the people of Cornwall, one of the country's poorest regions.

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Originally Posted by Julian

So yet another could be type article being classed as reality.

Are we surprised that a labour councillor is making anti-government noises......

It's the delight some people take in hoping that everything Brexit related fails that is pitiful.

This is about the government not keeping its promises to the electorate. Something which shouldn't be brushed under the carpet.

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Originally Posted by nomadking

Ireland would be unable to make up any gap. Basically they would be well and truly stuffed.
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I'm sure Ireland like the UK has plans for flying in medicines if there's port delays. A new direct ferry service to Europe should also help matters.
https://www.dfds.com/en/about/media/...ce-ferry-route

Ireland like the UK will suffer from no-deal. But it will be helped by the EU. We will apparently bailing out our industries too by adding to our country's massive debt mountain.
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