U.S Election 2020

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Chris

Last time was 1992: the 27th amendment, which took 202 years from proposal to ratification.

https://www.britannica.com/topic/Twe...enth-Amendment

I'm pleased I asked the follow-up question!

27th Amendment was only one that took that long, hence why it is the last. The 25th Amendment which deals with the Succession to the presidency, was brought about because of the Assassination of President John F Kennedy, when Lyndon B Johnson, JFK’s Vice President, was sworn in, the office of Vice President was left vacant until January 20th, 1965. President Johnson had once suffered a heart attack. When he assumed office after JFK was assassinated in November of 1963, the fact there was no Vice President for such a long period, concerned politicians.

The 25th Amendment deals with the above problems and that even after the human tragedy of a dying president, America will still have a functioning chief executive, if it attacked or provoked.

The 25th amendment states that in the event of national calamity, Kiefer Sutherland becomes president.

Originally Posted by pip08456

A further 17 states have joined the Texas fun.



Amicus Curiae: A person that is not a party to a particular litigation but that is permitted by the court to advise it in respect to some matter of law that directly affects the case in question

Another 20 States (and 3 Territories) have filed an amicus brief in support of the defendants (and in opposition to Texas's overturn-the-election suit).

https://www.supremecourt.gov/DocketP...%20et%20al.pdf

(Legal) War Between the States...

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Originally Posted by Chris

The 25th amendment states that in the event of national calamity, Kiefer Sutherland becomes president.

But it has be to carried out within 24 hours...

I wonder what the Republicans want to happen. Because they're no longer alleging fraud or dodgy voting machines but coming up with different reasons for each state as to why the voters should be thrown out, some of the reasons being ones they themselves sanctioned in their own states.

But if he succeeds, they only get the states that Trump needs to flip to be thrown out, and then they get the House to re-select Trump.

What happens then? The people who voted Biden know what has happened. Those four states which are important are going to be really, really angry. The world will see whats happened too. America would be lucky to avoid a civil war.

It gets better/weirder.

The leaders of Pennsylvania's General Assembly have filed a brief supporting Texas' effort to have the Supreme Court throw out the results of the presidential election in their state, over-ruling the laws they voted for and got passed.

Are they also asking for their own elections to be thrown out and for the General Assembly to be declared illegal? (since they were elected on the same ballots?).

They may not have thought this all the way through...

[BenMcr]

Originally Posted by Damien

I wonder what the Republicans want to happen. Because they're no longer alleging fraud or dodgy voting machines but coming up with different reasons for each state as to why the voters should be thrown out, some of the reasons being ones they themselves sanctioned in their own states.

But if he succeeds, they only get the states that Trump needs to flip to be thrown out, and then they get the House to re-select Trump.

What happens then? The people who voted Biden know what has happened. Those four states which are important are going to be really, really angry. The world will see whats happened too. America would be lucky to avoid a civil war.

The weird thing is apparently the fraud was only about the Presidental vote, and amazingly didn't affect any other vote on the ballot. This tweet is about the House brief to the Texan court application:

https://twitter.com/ZoeTillman/statu...177584642?s=20

A thing to note is that some of the House reps who signed this just won races in the states that they're now arguing were so rife with fraud that SCOTUS should invalidate the results

EDIT: Just seen my point is the same as Hugh's

I believe the pathetic Democrats cheated yet again, just like they attempted to in 2016, with the Coup attempt by sparking an investigation soon as Trump was sworn in, Clinton and the DNC paid for a fake Russian dossier that brought about an alleged Russian interference that they say Trump was heavily involved in. Absolutely no evidence was raised, they tried to unseat Trump on a totally hoax premise.

I do not believe the results of this election are true, I’m suppose to believe a gaffe prone idiot Biden won 82 million, more than Obama, absolute bollocks. Why did on the night of the election results several of the Key States stop counting, then in the middle of the night hundreds of thousands of ballots all went for Biden, which is statistically impossible unless cheating is involved. There is video evidence of voting clerks pulling out suitcases of ballots from under desks, when poll watchers were removed from the counting room.

Democrat party cheats, has cheated in the past and I believe have cheated once more.

I’m pretty sure a lot of this stuff has been laughed out of court in various states already, and the first of them was dismissed at the Supreme Court with an unprecedented one sentence ruling. It really is time to stop believing the extremist nonsense from the GOP lunatic fringe.

Originally Posted by Mick

I do not believe the results of this election are true, I’m suppose to believe a gaffe prone idiot Biden won 82 million,

The turn out in 2008 was 58.2%, this year it was 66.7%. Plus the voting population has increased since then.

Biden 'only' got 51.3% of the votes cast compared to 52.9% that Obama got.

There is a reason the Republicans are voting on the raw figure rather than the share of the vote or taking into account turnout.

Originally Posted by Mick

Democrat party cheats, has cheated in the past and I believe have cheated once more.

Well the Republicans couldn't prove it so now they're going to try and overturn the election anyway.

Might as well do this next time as well. If a Republican wins in 2024 the Democrats should just try and claim they cheated (again, who needs evidence?) and Califonia can sue whichever states just happen to be the margin required to try and get a Democratic President instead.

Presidental Elections just became pointless.

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by Mick

I believe the pathetic Democrats cheated yet again, just like they attempted to in 2016, with the Coup attempt by sparking an investigation soon as Trump was sworn in, Clinton and the DNC paid for a fake Russian dossier that brought about an alleged Russian interference that they say Trump was heavily involved in. Absolutely no evidence was raised, they tried to unseat Trump on a totally hoax premise.

I do not believe the results of this election are true, I’m suppose to believe a gaffe prone idiot Biden won 82 million, more than Obama, absolute bollocks. Why did on the night of the election results several of the Key States stop counting, then in the middle of the night hundreds of thousands of ballots all went for Biden, which is statistically impossible unless cheating is involved. There is video evidence of voting clerks pulling out suitcases of ballots from under desks, when poll watchers were removed from the counting room.

Democrat party cheats, has cheated in the past and I believe have cheated once more.

There is no video of voting clerks pulling out suitcases of ballots from under desks.
Don't you think it's strange that the legal team who released a video alleging that, who have all the footage from the day including the moment the table was put in place have not released footage of suitcases being placed there.

Perhaps they saw ballot boxes like these being placed there but it did not fit the narrative.

Originally Posted by Damien

The turn out in 2008 was 58.2%, this year it was 66.7%. Plus the voting population has increased since then.

Biden 'only' got 51.3% of the votes cast compared to 52.9% that Obama got.

There is a reason the Republicans are voting on the raw figure rather than the share of the vote or taking into account turnout.




Well the Republicans couldn't prove it so now they're going to try and overturn the election anyway.

Might as well do this next time as well. If a Republican wins in 2024 the Democrats should just try and claim they cheated (again, who needs evidence?) and Califonia can sue whichever states just happen to be the margin required to try and get a Democratic President instead.

Presidental Elections just became pointless.

[BenMcr]

Originally Posted by pip08456

There is no video of voting clerks pulling out suitcases of ballots from under desks.
Don't you think it's strange that the legal team who released a video alleging that, who have all the footage from the day including the moment the table was put in place have not released footage of suitcases being placed there.

Perhaps they saw ballot boxes like these being placed there but it did not fit the narrative.

No fraud or suitcases were found as sworn in federal court by a state Chief Investigator. They were boxes to store valid votes awaiting processing.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/ful...ator-affidavit

https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/...84055.72.1.pdf

This is the other problem with the fraud narrative from Republicans, what they're alleging should be easy to prove but they can't.

By far the most serious accusation that might have weight behind for Biden is those charges his son is being investigated for. Is Biden complicit? If I were the Republicans I would focus less on trying to invalidate the results of an election they lost, and in doing so thumbing their nose at Democracy, and focus on that.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Damien

This is the other problem with the fraud narrative from Republicans, what they're alleging should be easy to prove but they can't.

By far the most serious accusation that might have weight behind for Biden is those charges his son is being investigated for. Is Biden complicit? If I were the Republicans I would focus less on trying to invalidate the results of an election they lost, and in doing so thumbing their nose at Democracy, and focus on that.

Agreed. They need to focus on the next election.

They've cried wolf too many times on this current election thus giving Biden an easy ride with his son.