UK & EU Agree Post-Brexit Trade Deal

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Macron comes to mind and his attitude to the UK.

Meh. Global politics for you. I don't think anywhere near enough people will care to impact sales of French goods, people buy it because they want it. I wonder how many people in Britain can even name the President of France?

It's not as if we wouldn't screw over France to get a better deal for Britain if we could. You can bet we would happily welcome French car manufactures to move en-masse to the U.K because that's what we would expect of our Goverment.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Interesting, thanks for sharing.

Maybe in a post-Brexit world we'll focus less on farming, fishing, manufacturing and the City and more on the creative arts and tourism. That would leave quite a few people stranded with redundant skills though.

That's what minford said, farming and manufacturing would have to be sacrificed but it's okay, this was never about peoples livelihoods

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

That's what minford said, farming and manufacturing would have to be sacrificed but it's okay, this was never about peoples livelihoods

And that's why you'll see people not answering Hugh's point but keen to deflect when adverse news comes up on Dyson and Ineos not following through on UK car manufacturing.

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

And that's why you'll see people not answering Hugh's point but keen to deflect when adverse news comes up on Dyson and Ineos not following through on UK car manufacturing.

Dyson was because it would be too expensive to build wherever in the world, and Ineos are buying a ready made business, complete with the required expertise in building electric cars.


The constant threat of a UK Labour government can't help matters.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by nomadking

Dyson was because it would be too expensive to build wherever in the world, and Ineos are buying a ready made business, complete with the required expertise in building electric cars.

The constant threat of a UK Labour government can't help matters.

We've discussed Swindon being an option.
Ineos are strangely not planning on building any electric Grenadiers.
Why would a Labour government be a problem and far more left-wing parties in France not be a problem?

Hugh's point still languishes unanswered.

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

We've discussed Swindon being an option.
Ineos are strangely not planning on building any electric Grenadiers.
Why would a Labour government be a problem and far more left-wing parties in France not be a problem?

Hugh's point still languishes unanswered.

Swindon is not available because it's still building for Honda.

The French deal comes with contracts to buy what the factory is producing. Who wouldn't want that sort of deal?
As the Forbes article said, Ineos don't have the expertise in building electric cars, now they do.
He is going ahead with building them. That's why he bought the factory.
From original BBC article that sparked this.

Billionaire Sir Jim Ratcliffe, a Leave campaigner in the run-up to the 2016 Brexit referendum, has confirmed a new 4x4 vehicle will be built in France.
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"Ineos Automotive set out a vision to build the world's best utilitarian 4x4, and at our new home in Hambach, we will do just that," he said.

Why should anybody build stuff in the UK, just because? It has to be a business decision. If a similar facility had become currently available in the UK, Ineos might have gone for that.

[Carth]

So somebody decides to buy an already existing car factory to produce the best electric 4x4 evah, and people are moaning that it's 'not fair' in a Brexit sense?

I don't think I heard the same people moaning over the past 20 years when other businesses and companies decided to move to out of Britain . . with some nice financial aids too

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by nomadking

Swindon is not available because it's still building for Honda.

The French deal comes with contracts to buy what the factory is producing. Who wouldn't want that sort of deal?
As the Forbes article said, Ineos don't have the expertise in building electric cars, now they do.
He is going ahead with building them. That's why he bought the factory.
From original BBC article that sparked this.

Why should anybody build stuff in the UK, just because? It has to be a business decision. If a similar facility had become currently available in the UK, Ineos might have gone for that.

You could say the same thing about France - it's not available as it's building cars for Smart. Honda is a commercial company and if it could save costs by transferring the factory to Ineos then it would. Ineos could continue to manufacture for Honda as long as necessary. Business 101.

But again, perhaps it's easier to devise excuses for Ineos instead of acknowledging the elephant in the room or addressing Hugh's bigger picture question.

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

You could say the same thing about France - it's not available as it's building cars for Smart. Honda is a commercial company and if it could save costs by transferring the factory to Ineos then it would. Ineos could continue to manufacture for Honda as long as necessary. Business 101.

But again, perhaps it's easier to devise excuses for Ineos instead of acknowledging the elephant in the room or addressing Hugh's bigger picture question.

Would Honda want somebody else to make their cars?
Swindon doesn't make electric cars. That is why Honda is closing it. So altogether a non-starter.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-englan...shire-51473399Link

Honda will be closing its factory in Swindon in July next year, a date that has been "set in stone".


It announced it was shutting the site with the loss of 3,500 jobs due to global changes in the car industry and the need to launch electric vehicles.

BOTH cars are going to be built at the French site.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by Damien

Meh. Global politics for you. I don't think anywhere near enough people will care to impact sales of French goods, people buy it because they want it. I wonder how many people in Britain can even name the President of France?

It's not as if we wouldn't screw over France to get a better deal for Britain if we could. You can bet we would happily welcome French car manufactures to move en-masse to the U.K because that's what we would expect of our Goverment.

You might be right. But it's almost second nature among people to want to get one over the French. Especially if that cause is taken up by the tabloid press.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by nomadking

Would Honda want somebody else to make their cars?
Swindon doesn't make electric cars. That is why Honda is closing it. So altogether a non-starter.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-englan...shire-51473399Link

BOTH cars are going to be built at the French site.

If you knew more about the motor sector, you would know that famously BL/Rover Group built cars in the UK for Honda before its Swindon factory opened.

Most car plants in Europe don't make electric cars but it's not rocket science to transfer an assembly line over to make them. In fact, Honda was planning to do this at Swindon. Honda would lose a lot of future car-buyers if it cited Brexit as a contributory reason for closure so sensibly it has not.

It's unclear whether the Ineos Grenadier will have any electric versions available.

Originally Posted by Carth

So somebody decides to buy an already existing car factory to produce the best electric 4x4 evah, and people are moaning that it's 'not fair' in a Brexit sense?

I don't think I heard the same people moaning over the past 20 years when other businesses and companies decided to move to out of Britain . . with some nice financial aids too

Difference is that this was one of the principal cheerleaders for Brexit, who said that we could go it on our own - but he's unwilling to back up his rhetoric with actions (also, moved to Monaco to avoid paying tax, so once again "Backing Britain" with words, not actions).

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Hugh

Difference is that this was one of the principal cheerleaders for Brexit, who said that we could go it on our own - but he's unwilling to back up his rhetoric with actions (also, moved to Monaco to avoid paying tax, so once again "Backing Britain" with words, not actions).

Yes, James Dyson and Jim Ratcliffe of Ineos voted leave with their investments and themselves once the vote had passed.

Not so much "Backing Brexit Britain" as "Backing out of Brexit Britain".

[Carth]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Yes, James Dyson and Jim Ratcliffe of Ineos voted leave with their investments and themselves once the vote had passed.

Not so much "Backing Brexit Britain" as "Backing out of Brexit Britain".

Don't worry Andrew, much of our infrastructure is still owned by Mr J. Foreigner so you'll still be buying/using EU stuff

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Carth

Don't worry Andrew, much of our infrastructure is still owned by Mr J. Foreigner so you'll still be buying/using EU stuff

Doesn't solve the jobs situation nor addresses Hugh's ananswered post.