UK & EU Agree Post-Brexit Trade Deal

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by nomadking

You were the one complaining about Brexit supposedly leading to a loss of jobs, that would supposedly continue

No supposedly about it as evidence has been listed.

[Carth]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

No supposedly about it as evidence has been listed.

Really? Where?

Evidence please, not something a nobody has tweeted, or a daily rag has printed, or papers 'leaked' to a news program

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

No supposedly about it as evidence has been listed.

Evidence?
From your link.

How are Council job losses connected to Brexit?
West Midlands Ambulance service?
Steel works have had problems for decades.
Thomas Cook?
Vague non-figures such Glasgow City Council predicting 24,000, and 133,000 from fall in foreign direct investment.
The 4,320 supposedly possible for Yorkshire from fall in foreign investment is double counting at the very least.

Of course the job loss at "My Itchy Dog" in Arundel was purely down to Brexit.
The 100 for the BBC in Berkshire were announced a few weeks after the vote, so the reorganisation and moving of the facilities would've been planned before the vote.


Bunch of staggeringly unbelievably biased nonsense figures.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Carth

Really? Where?

Evidence please, not something a nobody has tweeted, or a daily rag has printed, or papers 'leaked' to a news program

This rules out a lot of stuff.

This Full Fact article (an independent fact-checking organisation) provides a thoughtful perspective.
https://fullfact.org/economy/eu-refe...onomy-and-you/

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Originally Posted by Hugh

Citation, please?

It appears that none exists.

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Originally Posted by nomadking

Evidence?
From your link.

How are Council job losses connected to Brexit?
West Midlands Ambulance service?
Steel works have had problems for decades.
Thomas Cook?
Vague non-figures such Glasgow City Council predicting 24,000, and 133,000 from fall in foreign direct investment.
The 4,320 supposedly possible for Yorkshire from fall in foreign investment is double counting at the very least.

Of course the job loss at "My Itchy Dog" in Arundel was purely down to Brexit.
The 100 for the BBC in Berkshire were announced a few weeks after the vote, so the reorganisation and moving of the facilities would've been planned before the vote.


Bunch of staggeringly unbelievably biased nonsense figures.

That contains a handful of disputable entries which you have flagged.

If you want some more information on how a decline in growth impacts jobs, see the FullFact article linked earler. If you want a plain link on an example of job losses, see https://www.cityam.com/big-banks-shi...te-ey-reports/

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

This rules out a lot of stuff.

This Full Fact article (an independent fact-checking organisation) provides a thoughtful perspective.
https://fullfact.org/economy/eu-refe...onomy-and-you/

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It appears that none exists.

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That contains a handful of disputable entries which you have flagged.

If you want some more information on how a decline in growth impacts jobs, see the FullFact article linked earler. If you want a plain link on an example of job losses, see https://www.cityam.com/big-banks-shi...te-ey-reports/

The list of council job losses in that list, is more than a handful. I'm not going to check each and every one.


The accusation was made that EU directives aimed at employees were beneficial to businesses. France had a huge unemployment problem as a result of workers rights, which Macron wanted to get rid of.
Link

His sweeping overhaul of labor rules aims to inject greater flexibility into the job market and kickstart hiring after decades of high unemployment.

Of course the unions objected to that.
Extra workers rights harms businesses and employment.


Link

What to consider if you invest in the United Kingdom
Strong Points One of the main strengths of the UK economy in attracting FDI is that its economy is one of the most liberal in Europe and its business environment is extremely favourable to FDI :

• The country is ranked 8th in the World Bank's 2020 Doing Business guide.
• The speed of launching a business is, for example, a very good indicator: setting up a business takes on average 13 days in the United Kingdom while the European average is 32 days. According to this indicator, the country is ranked first in Europe and sixth in the world.
• London has many strengths: it is a world leader in the financial services sector, its banking sector is healthy and robust
• Exports are structurally competitive and diversified
• The legal framework is among the most flexible in the world
• The unemployment rate is one of the lowest in Western economies.

In other words, the UK is still one of the best countries in the World for investment and starting a business.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by nomadking

In other words, the UK is still one of the best countries in the World for investment and starting a business.

The exam question was - have any jobs been lost through Brexit. The FullFact and City AM article both answer this question.

Your other discussion on the impact of EU employment law on competitiveness was with Hugh.

[1andrew1]

Very unsatisfactory and far from oven-ready.

Plans for Irish Sea trade border after Brexit in ‘a mess’

Industry bodies call for one-year implementation period to bed down new processes

With less than a month to go until the new border comes into force, the haulage, manufacturing and food industry bodies warned that businesses have insufficient time to adjust to the new system.

The new border arrangements for trade between Great Britain and Northern Ireland — part of the Northern Ireland protocol contained in the UK’s withdrawal agreement with the EU last October — will be introduced on January 1, regardless of the outcome of the trade talks due to continue in Brussels on Monday. The Northern Ireland trade bodies called on Michael Gove, the Cabinet Office minister, to seek a one-year implementation period with the EU to bed down the new processes that will require all goods travelling from Great Britain to Northern Ireland to comply with EU customs rules — a demand that negotiators on both sides consider unrealistic. Aodhán Connolly, the director of the Northern Ireland Retail Consortium, said that new research by the Northern Ireland Business Brexit Working Group (NIBBWG) showed that the vast majority of businesses could not prepare in time...

Haulage groups said that even if those concessions were won they would come too late for smaller businesses and would not cover wholesalers and manufacturers. “The timing piece around this, with all the paperwork, just won’t work,” said Richard Burnett the head of the Road Haulage Association. “Frankly, it’s just a mess.” The government has earmarked £200m for its Trader Support Service (TSS), but Northern Irish civil servants preparing for Brexit have warned that registration was still in “early stages” and levels of preparedness were “low”. The TSS, a consortium run by Fujitsu and the Customs Clearance Consortium, a customs intermediary group, will not process export health certificates — a key problem for many businesses — and is frequently unable to answer basic questions, trade groups said.

https://www.ft.com/content/3c0358ad-...3-0bd2c546811f

Originally Posted by nomadking

The list of council job losses in that list, is more than a handful. I'm not going to check each and every one.


The accusation was made that EU directives aimed at employees were beneficial to businesses. France had a huge unemployment problem as a result of workers rights, which Macron wanted to get rid of.
Link

Of course the unions objected to that.
Extra workers rights harms businesses and employment.


Link

In other words, the UK is still one of the best countries in the World for investment and starting a business.

No one said that - Mr K posted

Some of the EU rules were genuine beneficial - workers, consumer and environmental protections . A hinderance to the mega wealthy maybe. It's our own Govt. we need protection from.

You then posted

In what way were those ever meant to be beneficial to businesses

[1andrew1]

Ironically, there's talk that France's working hours have helped keep the country more productive than the UK and have enabled it to leapfrog the UK in terms of wealth. A more productive country is obviously better for business.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

However, a UK government source has said there has been "no breakthrough on fishing", adding "Nothing new has been achieved today."

Good, the only positive with the brexit fish distraction is the fish puns, the whole thing would be piscine me off otherwise

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Ironically, there's talk that France's working hours have helped keep the country more productive than the UK and have enabled it to leapfrog the UK in terms of wealth. A more productive country is obviously better for business.

Not doubting you but a source for your version of this might be helpful.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Not doubting you but a source for your version of this might be helpful.

Sounds like you don't read wishful thinking magazine

[Carth]

I don't know why people are making such a big deal of it . . .

. . alleged jobs that will be lost due to Brexit - versus - jobs lost in the 3 years preceding the referendum vote, any idea which is highest?

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Not doubting you but a source for your version of this might be helpful.

Of course. There's quite a few including:

The lower number of hours worked in France reflects in part a relatively high labour productivity - the amount of goods and services produced per hour of work.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/34667552

In France people work fewer hours and take more holidays than their peers across the Channel. So why are they more productive?

https://www.theguardian.com/small-bu...oductive-brits

Many people will claim that the French have greater productivity, thus allowing for shorter working hours. This claim has some credence with France consistently ranking among the top earners per hours worked according to the OECD each year. French workers earned on average $67.8 per hour, placing us in the top ten for 2017. In contrast, the UK hit $53.5, suggesting that longer working hours may not equate to greater productivity.

http://sixcontinents.fr/en/2018/10/3...re-productive/

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Ironically, there's talk that France's working hours have helped keep the country more productive than the UK and have enabled it to leapfrog the UK in terms of wealth. A more productive country is obviously better for business.

The measuring of productivity by using GDP has no connection with working hours. Are we really meant to believe that Italy is around as productive as Germany? Bulgaria is half of the EU average with the same EU working rules. Based upon an 100 average for the EU27, the figures for 2019 range from Bulgaria 49.1 to Germany 103.7, Italy 104.9, right up to Ireland with 197.

How does that work?