UK & EU Agree Post-Brexit Trade Deal

Originally Posted by jonbxx

The EU sets the quotas but has no say on who the government gives licences to. Here's the wording of the regulations;



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Articles 16 and 17 here - https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-cont...3R1380&from=EN

Your second quote refutes your claim that the EU has no say on who governments give licences to. There's a fairly comprehensive set of instructions there, telling governments what they can and can't do when making decisions. There are also state aid and competition rules that affect a member state's ability to unilaterally withdraw licences.

[1andrew1]

Will be grimly fascinating to see what happens. Even if the UK manages to negotiate a bigger share of some fish stocks, the ability to export to the EU looks harder, even with a trade deal.

The problem, rarely acknowledged by ministers, is that Britons do not much like the fish caught in the UK’s rich fishing waters. To the extent the country eats fish, it is mainly the “big five” of cod, haddock, tuna, salmon and prawns — most of which are imported...

Sean Perkes, his brother, looks up from his trading screen and said that if there is no trade deal there will be trouble at the border. “If the French are losing their fishing quota, they will make life extremely difficult,” he added.

Ian Perkes, like most of the south-west fishing community, voted for Brexit as a means of taking back control of UK waters. “I wish I hadn’t,” he said. “I never looked at the implications of the paperwork. I was brainwashed. ”Tariffs on exports would — he fears — be a catastrophe for his business and the fishing boats that supply it. Barring a radical change in the dietary habits of Britain, he said the sector would be “stuffed”, adding: “If there’s no deal and there are tariffs, we are out of the game.”

https://www.ft.com/content/4f224474-...2-0e5cf00c67bd

[jonbxx]

Originally Posted by Chris

Your second quote refutes your claim that the EU has no say on who governments give licences to. There's a fairly comprehensive set of instructions there, telling governments what they can and can't do when making decisions. There are also state aid and competition rules that affect a member state's ability to unilaterally withdraw licences.

Article 17 says how the Fishing Quota Allowance (FQAs) should be divvied up. It doesn't say who it should go to. That is purely each governments decision.

I guess Brexit gives the UK the opportunity to allocate FQAs using less transparent and objective way with less regard to environmental, social and economic factors but is this a benefit?

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by jonbxx

Article 17 says how the Fishing Quota Allowance (FQAs) should be divvied up. It doesn't say who it should go to. That is purely each governments decision.

I guess Brexit gives the UK the opportunity to allocate FQAs using less transparent and objective way with less regard to environmental, social and economic factors but is this a benefit?

It's a benefit to your mates if you can allocate them the same way you did the Coronavirus contracts.
https://www.instituteforgovernment.o...irus-contracts

[1andrew1]

Closer on the level playing field, fish still an issue.

In briefings to EU ambassadors and MEPs in Brussels, the bloc’s chief negotiator said Downing Street had revised its demand down from 80% but that it was unclear whether the divide could be bridged in the time remaining, prompting member states to caution against rushing into a deal.

The EU has so far offered the repatriation of 15%-18% of fishing catches. On the “level playing field” provisions, common ground is slowly being found, with the UK offering greater flexibility in recent days over a mechanism to ensure neither side can gain a competitive advantage by deregulating over time.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...atches-says-eu

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Will be grimly fascinating to see what happens. Even if the UK manages to negotiate a bigger share of some fish stocks, the ability to export to the EU looks harder, even with a trade deal.


https://www.ft.com/content/4f224474-...2-0e5cf00c67bd

Nearly every langoustine caught in UK waters goes to the European market. If they don’t get them from us, there will be a very large hole in their menus.

So they will buy them.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Pierre

Nearly every langoustine caught in UK waters goes to the European market. If they don’t get them from us, there will be a very large hole in their menus.

So they will buy them.

Not any price - if prices rise by 20% then demand will fall as people move to alternatives.

Or fishermen will have to absorb the 20% taxes and additional paperwork costs. If they have the margins.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Not any price - if prices rise by 20% then demand will fall as people move to alternatives.

Or fishermen will have to absorb the 20% taxes and additional paperwork costs. If they have the margins.

What's the alternative to langoustine ?

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

What's the alternative to langoustine ?

I'd go for a nice proper Italian margherita pizza myself.

Originally Posted by papa smurf

What's the alternative to langoustine ?

Eating something else...

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Not any price - if prices rise by 20% then demand will fall as people move to alternatives.

Or fishermen will have to absorb the 20% taxes and additional paperwork costs. If they have the margins.

No they won’t.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

What's the alternative to langoustine ?

Well, according to Have I got News for You earlier today:

As pubs open doors to drinkers buying ‘substantial meals’, landlords unveil new delicacy, ‘langoustines croustillantes aromatique au citron’:

[heero_yuy]

Langoustines are scampi. No problem eating more of this.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Well, according to Have I got News for You earlier today:

We could offer the EU 80% of those in lieu of fish.

[Mr K]

We're in retreat on our fish demands...
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics...ichel-barnier/

Britain has lowered its demands for a greater share of the catch in UK waters after Brexit, Michel Barnier said on Wednesday as he fought back against a rare rebuke from EU governments.