UK & EU Agree Post-Brexit Trade Deal

[jfman]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

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What about those who claim they have but all their posts say they haven't?

Thinking it'd be good to have a deal with the EU isn't refusing the result. This was supposed to be the easiest trade deal in history after all...

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by jfman

This was supposed to be the easiest trade deal in history after all...

Only if you remove the politics.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by jfman

Thinking it'd be good to have a deal with the EU isn't refusing the result. This was supposed to be the easiest trade deal in history after all...

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[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

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Tut, tut, Andrew. It was indeed supposed to be the easiest trade deal in the world but for the EU's solid intent to punish us. Of course you could argue that the politicians should have seen this coming but it doesn't alter the fact of the EU leadership behaving nastily toward us.

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Tut, tut, Andrew. It was indeed supposed to be the easiest trade deal in the world but for the EU's solid intent to punish us. Of course you could argue that the politicians should have seen this coming but it doesn't alter the fact of the EU leadership behaving nastily toward us.

Maybe the EU aren't punishing us, but doing the best for their members?. I'm afraid the punishng/nasty crap Brexiteers come out with, are indicators of an ageing ever more bonkers country. It's a lightbulb realisation of our weak position and their part in causing it. Blame everyone else is the obvious answer. We started this, not up to others to resolve it.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Mr K

Maybe the EU aren't punishing us, but doing the best for their members?. I'm afraid the punishng/nasty crap Brexiteers come out with, are indicators of an ageing ever more bonkers country. It's a lightbulb realisation of our weak position and their part in causing it. Blame everyone else is the obvious answer. We started this, not up to others to resolve it.

It sure is


https://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...Germany-France

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by Mr K

Maybe the EU aren't punishing us, but doing the best for their members?. I'm afraid the punishng/nasty crap Brexiteers come out with, are indicators of an ageing ever more bonkers country. It's a lightbulb realisation of our weak position and their part in causing it. Blame everyone else is the obvious answer. We started this, not up to others to resolve it.

You can sneer at Leavers if you want to, but it hardly does the best for the EU's members to have their exports to the UK to be hampered by duties and paperwork, etc and to have no access to British fishing waters.

It cuts both ways.

Yes, we started it and the more the EU behaves like *******s, the more right there was in the 52% viewpoint.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Mr K

Maybe the EU aren't punishing us, but doing the best for their members?. I'm afraid the punishng/nasty crap Brexiteers come out with, are indicators of an ageing ever more bonkers country. It's a lightbulb realisation of our weak position and their part in causing it. Blame everyone else is the obvious answer. We started this, not up to others to resolve it.

Indeed. They're a trade bloc of members. The UK not getting the benefits of membership without the costs of membership is an obvious starting point for any similar situation.

Unfortunately when you are a small, declining economy you don't have many bargaining chips when it comes to negotiating.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

You can sneer at Leavers if you want to, but it hardly does the best for the EU's members to have their exports to the UK to be hampered by duties and paperwork, etc and to have no access to British fishing waters.

It cuts both ways.

Yes, we started it and the more the EU behaves like *******s, the more right there was in the 52% viewpoint.

Sorry to break the news to you, but both imports and exports to the UK from the EU will be hampered by paperwork even with a deal in place. That's a consequence of leaving the single market.

Maybe also need to add that you won't be able to use passport lanes labelled "EU and EEA citizens only".

There's probably a few more things to update you on here but best not unsettle you too much in one post.

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Originally Posted by jfman

Indeed. They're a trade bloc of members. The UK not getting the benefits of membership without the costs of membership is an obvious starting point for any similar situation.

Unfortunately when you are a small, declining economy you don't have many bargaining chips when it comes to negotiating.

This talk from Michael Gove is fascinating in terms of not invoking Article 50 straight away, how we can set the pace etc.
https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/po...-brexit/16/10/

[GrimUpNorth]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Sorry to break the news to you, but both imports and exports to the UK from the EU will be hampered by paperwork even with a deal in place. That's a consequence of leaving the single market.

We all know Boris will cave at the last minute and sign up to a far from equitable better than nothing deal (certainly nothing like the easiest free trade deal in the history of easy free trade deals we were promised) and then he'll have the shameless front to try and proclaim that the UK shitty end of the stick deal we're then lumbered with was his master plan all along ( - for Nomad ).

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by GrimUpNorth

We all know Boris will cave at the last minute and sign up to a far from equitable better than nothing deal (certainly nothing like the easiest free trade deal in the history of easy free trade deals we were promised) and then he'll have the shameless front to try and proclaim that the UK shitty end of the stick deal we're then lumbered with was his master plan all along ( - for Nomad ).

Agreed - as soon as BoJo announced he was "taking personal charge of negotiations" I heard all the French fishermen immediately placed orders for new vessels knowing the direction of travel the talks would take with BoJo in charge.

Originally Posted by papa smurf

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What about those who claim they have but all their posts say they haven't?

What about those who claim to be "impartial observers" but all their posts say they aren’t?

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Hugh

What about those who claim to be "impartial observers" but all their posts say they aren’t?

I have always been in favour of brexit.

[1andrew1]

YouGov - The Times Tracker How well or badly do you think the government are doing at handling Britain's exit from the European Union?
Totally badly 59%
Totally well 29%
Don't know 12%

https://docs.cdn.yougov.com/use3qqel...r_201022_W.pdf

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Originally Posted by Hugh

What about those who claim to be "impartial observers" but all their posts say they aren’t?

I think the impartial, observing Trump supporters are to be found in the US election thread.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Sorry to break the news to you, but both imports and exports to the UK from the EU will be hampered by paperwork even with a deal in place. That's a consequence of leaving the single market.

Maybe also need to add that you won't be able to use passport lanes labelled "EU and EEA citizens only".

There's probably a few more things to update you on here but best not unsettle you too much in one post.

Well, take another look at what Mr K said and to what I was replying:

Originally Posted by Mr K
Maybe the EU aren't punishing us, but doing the best for their members?

Plus I said "It cuts both ways".

So really you had no need to reply.