UK & EU Agree Post-Brexit Trade Deal
22-10-2020, 20:25
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Re: Brexit-Transitional Period Ends 31/12/20
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth
It would be very interesting if this turned out to be the case.
It would mean that the UK never meant what it said and some weasel wording would have to be found (and they're all expert at it) to cover the concessions made.
If I were to rank the importance of standing firm, fishing could be sacrificed (to a reasonable degree) if the level playing field did not fetter our growth and did not fall under any form of ECJ restriction.
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Do you need more water to dilute your stance, my good friend?
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22-10-2020, 20:41
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Re: Brexit-Transitional Period Ends 31/12/20
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Do you need more water to dilute your stance, my good friend?
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No need to be a Richard, jf - if people are willing to be pragmatic, it is to be lauded, not mocked.
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22-10-2020, 20:46
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Re: Brexit-Transitional Period Ends 31/12/20
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No need to be a Richard, jf - if people are willing to be pragmatic, it is to be lauded, not mocked.
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I playfully mocked my good friend Seph who mocked me yesterday with my exaggerated 'not a friend in the world' post yesterday.
I'm sure he will take it in good spirits.
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22-10-2020, 21:14
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Re: Brexit-Transitional Period Ends 31/12/20
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Do you need more water to dilute your stance, my good friend?
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My stance remains the same. The EU are tricksters at worst and bullies at best or either way round. My government isn't exactly handling this right (e.g. the Internal Market Bill timing).
So, we need to salvage something that at least preserves our sovereignty - a fishing deal with a sunset period would be helpful or even a partial share thereafter.
But freedom from the ECJ and freedom to act in our own best interests remains solid in my requirements.
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I playfully mocked my good friend Seph who mocked me yesterday with my exaggerated 'not a friend in the world' post yesterday.
I'm sure he will take it in good spirits.
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... especially if Hugh likes me now!
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23-10-2020, 00:38
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Re: Brexit-Transitional Period Ends 31/12/20
As I say Seph, it was friendly jostling more than emphatic debating. We are all on pause to the US election result.
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23-10-2020, 00:52
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Re: Brexit-Transitional Period Ends 31/12/20
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As I say Seph, it was friendly jostling more than emphatic debating. We are all on pause to the US election result.
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Sure - I like to get one in like anyone else!
But I don't buy being on pause until the US election result. You could get walked over because you're on pause. There's 31-Oct yet to come for the Brexit thing.
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23-10-2020, 13:06
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Re: Brexit-Transitional Period Ends 31/12/20
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Sure - I like to get one in like anyone else!
But I don't buy being on pause until the US election result. You could get walked over because you're on pause. There's 31-Oct yet to come for the Brexit thing.
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I'm with you on this one, Seph. Even if Trump won the election, there's no plans for a UK-US trade deal this year.
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23-10-2020, 13:13
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Re: Brexit-Transitional Period Ends 31/12/20
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I'm with you on this one, Seph. Even if Trump won the election, there's no plans for a UK-US trade deal this year.
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I've got a good idea. We could join up with nearby European countries forming some sort of economic alliance. Call it the 'European Alliance' if you like. It would then be the biggest economic block in the World and we'd have much more leverage in Trade deals. We'd all live happily ever after instead of becoming a dwindling irrelevant economic backwater, seeking aid/pity from others..... Good idea eh? 
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23-10-2020, 13:17
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Re: Brexit-Transitional Period Ends 31/12/20
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I'm with you on this one, Seph. Even if Trump won the election, there's no plans for a UK-US trade deal this year.
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... and is a US-uK trade deal that important, Andrew?
Isn't the CPTPP more important or at least just as beneficial?
https://policyexchange.org.uk/what-t...eal-signifies/
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The Department for International Trade (DIT) has announced that the UK has concluded a historic new free trade agreement with Japan, the UK’s first major trade deal post-Brexit. The agreement is an important step towards the UK’s ambition to join the Comprehensive and Progressive Agreement for Trans-Pacific Partnership (CPTPP).
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The CPTPP comprises: Canada, Mexico, Peru, Chile, New Zealand, Australia, Brunei, Singapore, Malaysia, Vietnam and Japan
Btw, I can see some light coming out of Brexit talks leaks. Something about the governance mechanism allowing the EU to restrict access to the single market if the UK diverges too far on competition behaviour. A fudge, but to my pragmatic mind, a welcome fudge.
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23-10-2020, 13:27
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Re: Brexit-Transitional Period Ends 31/12/20
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth
... and is a US-uK trade deal that important, Andrew?
Isn't the CPTPP more important or at least just as beneficial?
https://policyexchange.org.uk/what-t...eal-signifies/
The CPTPP comprises: Canada, Mexico, Peru, Chile, New Zealand, Australia, Brunei, Singapore, Malaysia, Vietnam and Japan
Btw, I can see some light coming out of Brexit talks leaks. Something about the governance mechanism allowing the EU to restrict access to the single market if the UK diverges too far on competition behaviour. A fudge, but to my pragmatic mind, a welcome fudge.
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I think the importance of the US is that it's our biggest single trading partner although if you add up the EU member states they dwarf it and that deal is the most important. But any deal with the EU won't be as good as our current trading arrangements with them so we must steel ourselves for a permanent negative economic impact from 2021.
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23-10-2020, 13:31
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Re: Brexit-Transitional Period Ends 31/12/20
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I've got a good idea. We could join up with nearby European countries forming some sort of economic alliance. Call it the 'European Alliance' if you like. It would then be the biggest economic block in the World and we'd have much more leverage in Trade deals. We'd all live happily ever after instead of becoming a dwindling irrelevant economic backwater, seeking aid/pity from others..... Good idea eh? |
Yea we could call it the we have nothing in common market.
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23-10-2020, 14:08
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Re: Brexit-Transitional Period Ends 31/12/20
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I've got a good idea. We could join up with nearby European countries forming some sort of economic alliance. Call it the 'European Alliance' if you like. It would then be the biggest economic block in the World and we'd have much more leverage in Trade deals. We'd all live happily ever after instead of becoming a dwindling irrelevant economic backwater, seeking aid/pity from others.
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gets my support 100% isn't that what we thought we were joining?
Oh you missed out the turning into a federal super state bit.........
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23-10-2020, 17:19
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The EU Sausage
As our participation within EU rules comes to a conclusion, the EU has done a classic "Yes Minister".
https://www.dw.com/en/european-parli...ges/a-55373087
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The European Parliament on Friday voted to allow producers of meatless foodstuffs to continue calling them "sausages" and "burgers" if they desire, rejecting a proposal to have such trade practices banned.
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Can't wait to see if this is picked up in tomorrow's tabloids!
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23-10-2020, 17:28
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Re: The EU Sausage
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No joy for producers of dairy substitutes though. I suspect the French cheese lobby was rather more effective than the meat producers were. If the proposal was to avoid confusion, then the outcome of the vote has only served to make it worse.
I'm no vegan by any means but I dislike having my intelligence insulted - I'm quite capable of understanding that 'milky taste' and 'milk substitute' don't mean 'milk'.
Not for the first time I am relieved and delighted that we're getting out of this nonsensical organisation.
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23-10-2020, 18:13
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Re: The EU Sausage
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No joy for producers of dairy substitutes though. I suspect the French cheese lobby was rather more effective than the meat producers were. If the proposal was to avoid confusion, then the outcome of the vote has only served to make it worse.
I'm no vegan by any means but I dislike having my intelligence insulted - I'm quite capable of understanding that 'milky taste' and 'milk substitute' don't mean 'milk'.
Not for the first time I am relieved and delighted that we're getting out of this nonsensical organisation.
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I thought Soya was a type of Cow, like Jersey, how foolish do I feel now!
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