Coronavirus

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

jfman's ostensibly simple question must have been asked with a wry smile.

A wry smile, yes. But I was genuinely interested in what the thinking was and rather than do the usual line by line rebuttals thought it’d be a better way to approach it. All reasonable points in the balancing act.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

I'm curious as to who is taking the poll as i never seem to be involved

I wouldn’t worry, papa. The pollsters work out the answers they want and then frame their questions accordingly. Yes/no answers only, no ifs or buts!

It’s a cynical world out there.

[heero_yuy]

Breaking:

Quote from The Sun:

Nine million Londoners will be plunged into Tier 2 lockdown from midnight tomorrow with a ban on household mixing.

Health Secretary Matt Hancock is set to formally announce the decision this morning, with Essex expected to join the capital in being slapped with 'High' risk measures.

Both Manchester and Lancashire are also poised to be forced into Tier 3 lockdown rules later today.

As many as 12 of London's boroughs breached the threshold of 100 coronavirus cases per 100,000 people.

Health Minister Helen Whately told London MPs this morning that the capital will move into tougher restrictions.

It means people will be told they can't mix with anyone from another household indoors, but can meet up in beer gardens and private gardens, where the national rule of six applies.

Londoners will also be told to avoid public transport.

Yeah not a surprise. We've been dicing with that for a while.

[Julian]

Nothing will achieve much until they curb the movement of people out of and into the worst affected areas.
Half term in a week - cue hordes of potentially infected people descending on areas which are at present relatively unaffected.......

Originally Posted by Julian

cue hordes of potentially infected people descending on areas which are at present relatively unaffected.......

Thats already happened here, when 50,000 students invaded Nottingham.
The rest of Nottinghamshire is now suffering more restrictions because of it.

We are trying to fight nature, and arent going to win.
Just destroy our economy, businesses, and all the lives that affects.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-54551477
Marstons have now joined the list of job losses at the end of the month.
After we have succeeded in wreaking everything, the virus will still be here.

BREAKING: Manchester Mayor, Andy Burnham rejects governments plans for tier 3, saying they are flawed and unfair and suggest what the government are asking, is to go in to a harsh lockdown process, that is going to cost jobs and ultimately lives from other illnesses, on the cheap.

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by Mick

BREAKING: Manchester Mayor, Andy Burnham rejects governments plans for tier 3, saying they are flawed and unfair and suggest what the government are asking, is to go in to a harsh lockdown process, that is going to cost jobs and ultimately lives from other illnesses, on the cheap.

I thought Labour policy was for everywhere to go into lockdown? Just goes to show one way or another, Labour are just vindictive. They apparently want everywhere else to suffer unnecessarily.
Either they believe in lockdowns or they don't. Which is it?

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by nomadking

I thought Labour policy was for everywhere to go into lockdown? Just goes to show one way or another, Labour are just vindictive. They apparently want everywhere else to suffer unnecessarily.
Either they believe in lockdowns or they don't. Which is it?

I think Labour wants us to follow scientific advice of a 2/3 week national circuit-break with the same compensation as the earlier national lock-down. Boris seems to have played the political game and ignored the scientists' recommendations to garner much-needed support in his party for himself.

Local lock-downs don't provide the same compensation so unless hospitals get overwhelmed as the did in the Liverpool City region then I guess local politicians of all colours will be incentivised to hold out for full compensation at the expense of increased restrictions. Personally, with borrowing so cheap and keeping the virus at bay a necessity, I can't see why they can't give the same level of compensation as they did before.

[Sephiroth]

What is the scientific advice trying to achieve? Is their mission to keep the number of simultaneous cases down?

They did that before and it's rampant now. Won't this just repeat itself?

Are we plebs wiser than SAGE?

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

What is the scientific advice trying to achieve? Is their mission to keep the number of simultaneous cases down?

They did that before and it's rampant now. Won't this just repeat itself?

Are we plebs wiser than SAGE?

No one's pretending it's a magic bullet. It's a way of getting the R-level down to something manageable. If it has to happen again in the future until we achieve herd immunity through vaccination, I don't see that as a reason for not doing it again.

[nomadking]

Link

Burnham says he and other Greater Manchester leaders were told by the deputy chief medical officer that the "only certain thing to work is a national lockdown".
But Burnham then points out the government was "unwilling to do that because of the harm it would do to the national economy".
"They are willing to sacrifice jobs and businesses here [in north-west England] to try and save them elsewhere," Burnham said, adding that they were being treated as "canaries in the coal mine" for an "experimental regional lockdown strategy".

How would a national lockdown save jobs in the north-west?
If people will continue to behave like depraved morons, no amount of lockdowns will achieve anything.

• France has unveiled further details of its plan to introduce a night-time lockdown in several cities, including Paris, from Saturday
• Italy has registered 8,804 new cases of coronavirus during the last 24 hours, beating a previous official high of 7,332 set yesterday
• From Saturday, Slovenia's government has ordered bars, restaurants and sports facilities to close in seven of the country's 12 regions, including the capital Ljubljana. It follows two consecutive days of record official case numbers
• Poland’s government has announced that new restrictions will be in place in several major cities, including the capital Warsaw, from Saturday. It comes as 8,099 new infections were reported since yesterday - also beating a previous official high

[Mad Max]

https://www.ox.ac.uk/news/2020-10-15...test-covid-19#

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Let's all do what we want now...


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotla...itics-54546058

[Julian]

Originally Posted by Mad Max

https://www.ox.ac.uk/news/2020-10-15...test-covid-19#

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Let's all do what we want now...


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotla...itics-54546058

Unfortunately too many people already are/have been.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Julian

Unfortunately too many people already are/have been.

Agreed.

Trouble is, the moral tone has been set on high by the likes of Margaret Ferrier and Dominic Cummings.