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Re: Sir Keir Starmer elected as new Labour leader
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What kind of stupid would you say he was then?
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l will let you answer that given you are the great political sage of this forum. 
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11-10-2020, 18:38
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Re: Sir Keir Starmer elected as new Labour leader
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Keir Starmer might be a good many things to different people but one thing he is not is politically stupid.
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That’s true, Den. It’s a shame he’s so boring, though, which will be a major handicap at election time.
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11-10-2020, 21:46
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Re: Sir Keir Starmer elected as new Labour leader
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That’s true, Den. It’s a shame he’s so boring, though, which will be a major handicap at election time.
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Boring wins over incompetence OB. As it will in the US shortly.
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11-10-2020, 22:20
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Re: Sir Keir Starmer elected as new Labour leader
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Boring wins over incompetence OB. As it will in the US shortly.
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Exactly. I prefer my clowns to be in the circus ring, not in power.
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11-10-2020, 22:23
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Re: Sir Keir Starmer elected as new Labour leader
Keir Starmer mocked for 'captain indecision' Covid dithering: 'Labour has NO leadership'
KEIR STARMER has been labelled "Captain Indecision" by a senior Tory over his position on the 10pm curfew imposed by Boris Johnson's Government.
Amanda Milling, MP and Chair of the Conservatives, shared a tweet from the party mocking Labour for taking three different positions on Covid in the last week. The original tweet read: “Keir Starmer & Labour have had 3 positions on the 10pm curfew all in a single week: They’ve supported it. They’ve opposed it. Now they’re not sure.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/13...9-Labour-party
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11-10-2020, 22:40
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Re: Sir Keir Starmer elected as new Labour leader
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Keir Starmer mocked for 'captain indecision' Covid dithering: 'Labour has NO leadership'
KEIR STARMER has been labelled "Captain Indecision" by a senior Tory over his position on the 10pm curfew imposed by Boris Johnson's Government.
Amanda Milling, MP and Chair of the Conservatives, shared a tweet from the party mocking Labour for taking three different positions on Covid in the last week. The original tweet read: “Keir Starmer & Labour have had 3 positions on the 10pm curfew all in a single week: They’ve supported it. They’ve opposed it. Now they’re not sure.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/13...9-Labour-party |
That's a pretty great irony given this government has been consistently incompetent , indecisive and made countless U-turns in the last 6 months.
https://www.lbc.co.uk/politics/the-n...oken-promises/
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a9568956.html
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11-10-2020, 23:03
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Re: Sir Keir Starmer elected as new Labour leader
They're all the same. Politicians only interested in themselves and power.
We poor citizens basically have a choice between red tinges and blue tinges and that's always been the case. After all, people have to elect someone.
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11-10-2020, 23:25
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Re: Sir Keir Starmer elected as new Labour leader
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They're all the same. Politicians only interested in themselves and power.
We poor citizens basically have a choice between red tinges and blue tinges and that's always been the case. After all, people have to elect someone.
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We the public encourge this behaviour though. How many times on this very forum do we get people picking up the batton of their preferred politician despite the fact we likely have more in common with each other than we do with Starmer, Johnson or Farage? How many times do we regurgitate some focus-group tested talking points one of them of come up with?
Politicans get away with so much just by convincing us they're on 'our' side against those who are not. Families, friends and communities at each others throats as a result when really they're not that far apart.
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11-10-2020, 23:42
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Re: Sir Keir Starmer elected as new Labour leader
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We the public encourge this behaviour though. How many times on this very forum do we get people picking up the batton of their preferred politician despite the fact we likely have more in common with each other than we do with Starmer, Johnson or Farage? How many times do we regurgitate some focus-group tested talking points one of them of come up with?
Politicans get away with so much just by convincing us they're on 'our' side against those who are not. Families, friends and communities at each others throats as a result when really they're not that far apart.
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Understood - but my preferred politician is Sir John Redwood and I'm a great Farage fan - single issue not selfish for power.
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11-10-2020, 23:54
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Re: Sir Keir Starmer elected as new Labour leader
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Originally Posted by papa smurf
Keir Starmer mocked for 'captain indecision' Covid dithering: 'Labour has NO leadership'
KEIR STARMER has been labelled "Captain Indecision" by a senior Tory over his position on the 10pm curfew imposed by Boris Johnson's Government.
Amanda Milling, MP and Chair of the Conservatives, shared a tweet from the party mocking Labour for taking three different positions on Covid in the last week. The original tweet read: “Keir Starmer & Labour have had 3 positions on the 10pm curfew all in a single week: They’ve supported it. They’ve opposed it. Now they’re not sure.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/13...9-Labour-party |
The Express begging for Starmer to oppose the Government on Covid. No point. Why intervene when your opponent is making mistakes?
It's a long way to 2024. Cameron was mocked for years for not having policies as opposition leader. No point in showing your hand now.
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16-10-2020, 09:22
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Re: Sir Keir Starmer elected as new Labour leader
Starmer humiliated: Seven frontbenchers quit as 34 Labour MPs ignore Keir's orders on vote
https://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...s-vote-against
Nice to see who's in charge these days. 
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16-10-2020, 10:35
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Re: Sir Keir Starmer elected as new Labour leader
They're the last remaining Corbyn supporters on the front bench I think.
Not sure if he intentionally was provoking them to quit on an issue that not only works well for him but during a time few people are paying attention. Or if it was not what he wanted.
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16-10-2020, 10:59
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Re: Sir Keir Starmer elected as new Labour leader
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Two frontbenchers quit - Parliamentary Private Secretaries are not frontbenchers...
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16-10-2020, 10:59
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Re: Sir Keir Starmer elected as new Labour leader
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They're the last remaining Corbyn supporters on the front bench I think.
Not sure if he intentionally was provoking them to quit on an issue that not only works well for him but during a time few people are paying attention. Or if it was not what he wanted.
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Sensible strategy which works for all concerned. Corbynites can claim to their supporters they took the moral high ground so less likely to cause Starmer future trouble as a dignified exit. Whilst Starmer gets his people in place easily.
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28-10-2020, 09:39
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Re: Sir Keir Starmer elected as new Labour leader
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