Coronavirus (OLD)

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by jfman

Obviously these health conditions would be co- morbidities with Covid. Having them turn up at GP surgeries with every idiot and their dog with a cough, petre dish child, or other ailment probably not the best idea right now.

There are very many people with extremely serious illnesses and others in need of checkups because they are prone to potentially fatal medical illness who are being ignored, and deaths are increasing as a result. You really cannot believe that prevention of deaths of COVID patients is more important than preventing deaths of other patients. That is just ludicrous, as is the whole idea of continuing lockdowns.

Elderly residents in my area have become worried, depressed and desperate because they cannot get the medical attention they need, and your brilliant solution is more of the same. Which, unfortunately, will not yield a different result.

The increasing number of local lockdowns in the country tells you all you need to know about the futility of this policy. It’s time for a different approach. jfman ‘s doomsday solution has clearly failed.

[papa smurf]

Chris Whitty and Patrick Vallance 'SHOULD have been sacked' - Staggering Commons outburst

CHRIS Whitty and Sir Patrick Vallance have been accused of "scaremongering" over coronavirus, as an enraged Conservative MP claimed the Chief Scientific Adviser and Chief Medical Officer to the UK Government should have been sacked from their respective roles.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...use-of-commons

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

There are very many people with extremely serious illnesses and others in need of checkups because they are prone to potentially fatal medical illness who are being ignored, and deaths are increasing as a result. You really cannot believe that prevention of deaths of COVID patients is more important than preventing deaths of other patients. That is just ludicrous, as is the whole idea of continuing lockdowns.

Elderly residents in my area have become worried, depressed and desperate because they cannot get the medical attention they need, and your brilliant solution is more of the same. Which, unfortunately, will not yield a different result.

The increasing number of local lockdowns in the country tells you all you need to know about the futility of this policy. It’s time for a different approach. jfman ‘s doomsday solution has clearly failed.

Ratcheting the health service back up to full strength is one thing. Opening up football stadia, conference centres, etc is an entirely different kettle of fish.

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Originally Posted by papa smurf

Chris Whitty and Patrick Vallance 'SHOULD have been sacked' - Staggering Commons outburst

CHRIS Whitty and Sir Patrick Vallance have been accused of "scaremongering" over coronavirus, as an enraged Conservative MP claimed the Chief Scientific Adviser and Chief Medical Officer to the UK Government should have been sacked from their respective roles.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...use-of-commons

I don't recall him asking for Dominic Cummings to be sacked when he regaled us with his lockdown adventures.

[richard s]

The houses of parliament bar is not required to shut at 10 p.m.!!!

[jfman]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

There are very many people with extremely serious illnesses and others in need of checkups because they are prone to potentially fatal medical illness who are being ignored, and deaths are increasing as a result. You really cannot believe that prevention of deaths of COVID patients is more important than preventing deaths of other patients. That is just ludicrous, as is the whole idea of continuing lockdowns.

Elderly residents in my area have become worried, depressed and desperate because they cannot get the medical attention they need, and your brilliant solution is more of the same. Which, unfortunately, will not yield a different result.

The increasing number of local lockdowns in the country tells you all you need to know about the futility of this policy. It’s time for a different approach. jfman ‘s doomsday solution has clearly failed.

Haha it's not my policy Old Boy, I'm not a policy maker after all. There is no other approach, nor has there ever been one. People with serious illnesses can't afford for Covid to run right through society uncontrolled as the idiots advocate.

Interesting you caveated working from home by promoting the dying trades linked to city centre working. Sounds awfully socialist to try and restrict rational choices for businesses to abandon offices in the current climate. That's capitalism after all - if you offer a service nobody is wants or needs you go out of business. There's no balancing act under pure capitalism.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by richard s

The houses of parliament bar is not required to shut at 10 p.m.!!!

it is as from today https://www.theguardian.com/politics...confirms-covid

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Ratcheting the health service back up to full strength is one thing. Opening up football stadia, conference centres, etc is an entirely different kettle of fish.

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I don't recall him asking for Dominic Cummings to be sacked when he regaled us with his lockdown adventures.

He didn't scare the country shitless though did he, that graph was like the launch curve for a ballistic missile

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

The NHS and dentists are back to normal now aren't they?

Not even close.

[Pierre]

Now JFman May accuse me of being in an echo chamber, but this article ( it’s a 5-10min read) Sums up where I am at.

I’m not at the conspiracy theory threshold, but I have deep concerns about government at the moment, and Labour are doing nothing to keep them in check.

https://www-spiked--online-com.cdn.a...of-reason/amp/

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Pierre

Now JFman May accuse me of being in an echo chamber, but this article ( it’s a 5-10min read) Sums up where I am at.

I’m not at the conspiracy theory threshold, but I have deep concerns about government at the moment, and Labour are doing nothing to keep them in check.

https://www-spiked--online-com.cdn.a...of-reason/amp/

Why would Labour do anything to intervene? People voted for Boris, for better for worse, in 2024 we can reflect on how well he has done at the ballot box.

You’ll be unsurprised when I say I don’t agree with much of that article but there’s little value in going over that again.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by jfman

Why would Labour do anything to intervene? People voted for Boris, for better for worse, in 2024 we can reflect on how well he has done at the ballot box.

The job of the opposition is to hold the government to account, even with a large majority, especially with a large majority. To blindly advise that

Labour will support whatever Covid measures the government introduces.

That is not holding anyone to account. That is abdicating your responsibility as the opposition. In fact it has fallen on Tory back benchers to your job for you.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Pierre

The job of the opposition is to hold the government to account, even with a large majority, especially with a large majority. To blindly advise that

That is not holding anyone to account. That is abdicating your responsibility as the opposition. In fact it has fallen on Tory back benchers to your job for you.

While a noble notion as you portray the reality is this far out from a General Election the best thing they can do is quietly support the Government with constructive criticism. If Boris makes a mess of it he carries the can, if he’s right you get to say you supported. In 2024 we will know one way or the other.

Force Boris out and you could lose to Sunak who washes his hands of Boris ineptitude.

There’s no political advantage to be had by being proactive here. Governments living out a slow dying death suits the opposition.

[pip08456]

How does the "not a prediction" graph compare to actual cases?

[jfman]

Originally Posted by pip08456

How does the "not a prediction" graph compare to actual cases?

Given the additional restrictions, and problems with testing, this is to be expected.

Originally Posted by pip08456

How does the "not a prediction" graph compare to actual cases?

The "example scenario" was "If doubling occurred every seven days what would it look like?", and the actuals are because we changed what we were doing...

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by jfman

Given the additional restrictions.

Restrictions largely ignored. Obviously businesses have shut at 10pm

But apart from that, the rule of 6 and pretty much every other rule has been ignored, and I can guarantee the the new rule of no houses mixing will new equally ignored.