Coronavirus (OLD) - Page 402

nomadking · 26-09-2020, 02:28

A lot of people are asymptomatic and aren't aware that they've had it. That is how it was able to spread unnoticed.
Doesn't that show that the social distancing, lockdowns, closing of events/venues has to some extent been successful?

Pierre · 26-09-2020, 09:06

Vitamin D helps fight and avoid infection

http://news.sky.com/story/coronaviru...-find-12081132

But we knew that over 4 months ago, so why hasn’t it been publicised more?

https://youtu.be/GFKuE_1cR-M

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Paranoia wins again.

Im constantly having to follow ridiculous & inconsistant rules for a virus no one I know has ever seen evidence of.

Between myself, and my family (several of who work in schools, so know a lot of people) and other contacts, we know a fair portion of our town and surrounding area. Plus we have a couple of local FB groups Im a member of.

Do you know how many cases of CV19 we know of ?
Zero, not a single one.

No one I know, or anyone they know, no one in any of our groups.

I had to visit the dentist the other week, and answer all the contact questions about do you have, know of ... blah.
I asked them how many cases they know of .... yep, you guessed it, Zero.

So if you wonder why large parts of the public are starting to get pissed off, you know why.
Im constantly following stupid rules to fight something that may as well be on another planet.

I know of only two people that have had it, and they caught it in a lift full of Chinese tourists in Belgium. The both had a dry cough & sore chest. Symptoms lasted a few days and both were fine. I know of no one in my family, friend, work or extended circle that has had it or heard of anyone who has had it, apart from those two.

I’m not denying it’s existence, 40 odd thousand people have died, but I think the country is going mad.

As I’ve always maintained, shield the vulnerable, everybody else get on with life.

**Hugh** · 26-09-2020, 10:33

On that note...

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1....17.20196436v1

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Comparison of COVID-19 outcomes among shielded and non-shielded populations: A general population cohort study of 1.3 million

Conclusions: Shielding has not been effective at preventing deaths in those with highest risk. To be effective as a population strategy, shielding criteria would need to be widely expanded to include other criteria, such as the elderly.

1andrew1 · 26-09-2020, 11:54

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Originally Posted by Hugh

On that note...

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1....17.20196436v1

I guess political parties will always consider the demographics of their voters. For example, banning over 60s from shops, restaurants and pubs might medical but not electoral sense.

**Hugh** · 26-09-2020, 12:41

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavir...ggest-12082178

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Coronavirus: Third of tests in England 'not linked' to new NHS app, developers suggest

The developers of the new NHS coronavirus tracing app have suggested that more than 60,000 tests carried out in England yesterday - just under a third of the total - cannot be linked to its systems.

The admission appears to undermine the central role of the software, which is to warn people when they have come into contact with anyone who subsequently tests positive.

The long-awaited NHS coronavirus contact-tracing app launched two days ago across England and Wales.

However, in a response to a tweet by a user who said they had been tested but could not upload the result, the app's developers said it is not linked to test results processed in a Public Health England lab or NHS hospital.

"If your test took place in a Public Health England lab or NHS hospital, or as part of national surveillance testing conducted by the Office for National Statistics, test results cannot currently be linked with the app whether they're positive or negative," they wrote.

Hom3r · 26-09-2020, 13:22

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At least one Supermarket has decided to stop the panic buyers early ;

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If the Government want to buy me a new "smart" phone, they are more than welcome. Otherwise, I'll stick with my trusty little J700.

My local Sainsbury's has been limiting certain items since the last panic buying.

papa smurf · 26-09-2020, 13:22

RULE OF 600 Hundreds of boozers spill out of pubs into street ‘party’ and packed Tubes after ‘fun police’ enforce 10pm curfews

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/127743...urfew-boozers/

Mad Max · 26-09-2020, 13:41

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RULE OF 600 Hundreds of boozers spill out of pubs into street ‘party’ and packed Tubes after ‘fun police’ enforce 10pm curfews

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/127743...urfew-boozers/

They will close the pubs very soon imo.

Hom3r · 26-09-2020, 14:18

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They will close the pubs very soon imo.

Better still, dish out a few £1,000 fines

1andrew1 · 26-09-2020, 14:42

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They will close the pubs very soon imo.

In parts of central London, many pubs haven't re-opened since March as their customers are all working from home.

Unfortunately, closing the pubs and restaurants in London at 10pm compresses all those who would normally have left at 10pm, 11pm and midnight onto the same trains and buses, so social distancing becomes weakened.

Pierre · 26-09-2020, 15:24

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Originally Posted by Hugh

On that note...

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1....17.20196436v1

But I would consider the elderly an “ at risk” group?

In any event shielding should

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Stratified shielding will need to be combined with other measures and should be recognised as a population health strategy.

https://www.bmj.com/content/369/bmj.m2063

papa smurf · 26-09-2020, 15:29

What if the elderly don't want shielding and just want to live out there lives as they wish to.

Pierre · 26-09-2020, 16:07

The bottom line is ......” is the NHS at risk of being overwhelmed”?

Ev3n at the height of the pandemic everyone that needed a bed had one, everyone that needed a ventilator had one.

Unless hospital admissions look like they’re heading to those levels There should not be extra restrictions ( I hate the term lockdown, as we’re not in lockdown in any way).

That is in the government’s 5 point plan, that they’re ignoring.

1andrew1 · 26-09-2020, 17:39

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What if the elderly don't want shielding and just want to live out there lives as they wish to.

That same arguement can be made for any group who think the same way. But not every group costs the NHS the same if it doesn't comply.

Sephiroth · 26-09-2020, 19:16

Sod the bloody NHS. All we hear about is the NHS, NHS, NHS.

What is the point of an NHS that cannot provide the service element in its name? Cancer? Kidneys? Hip replacements, etc. The NHS isn't exactly overwhelmed with CV vases now plus they have the Nightingale capacity.

Barbed wire round the doctors' surgery; Gestapo surgery front desk only capable of saying "No".

My mask shields me from other emitted particles; my plain galss spectacles reduces particle ingress to my eyes; hand gel galore. What's the big problem?

If the younger proportion run wild, they're not affecting the more vulnerable people who protect themselves sensibly.

And the Guvmin hasn't a clue what do do.