Coronavirus (OLD)

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

3/3 is too much of a coincidence. Anyway, my immune system is very good - my nose hairs appear to stop everything because I get no more than a cold a year which I shed in two days (with the help of Tissue Salts Formula J).

I showed my brother-in-law your post - he has 36 years post-doctoral experience in pharmaceutical, vaccine, and biosimilar research, development, & production, and has worked for Pfizer, Teva, and other very large multi-national Pharma/Biosimilar companies (he is currently a Senior Vice-President Strategic Development for a $65 billion market capital biotechnology company in the USA).

He said "that’s an interesting viewpoint - obviously disproves the multiple years of research involving hundreds of thousands of test cases, and the decades of evidence involving hundreds of millions of doses given to patients..."

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Hugh

I showed my brother-in-law your post - he has 36 years post-doctoral experience in pharmaceutical, vaccine, and biosimilar research, development, & production, and has worked for Pfizer, Teva, and other very large multi-national Pharma/Biosimilar companies (he is currently a Senior Vice-President Strategic Development for a $65 billion market capital biotechnology company in the USA).

He said "that’s an interesting viewpoint - obviously disproves the multiple years of research involving hundreds of thousands of test cases, and the decades of evidence involving hundreds of millions of doses given to patients..."

Wow the snake oil market is on the up.

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

3/3 is too much of a coincidence. Anyway, my immune system is very good - my nose hairs appear to stop everything because I get no more than a cold a year which I shed in two days (with the help of Tissue Salts Formula J).

The fact it keeps happening surely suggests a reaction to the jab itself which I why I mentioned asking about it. It is unlikely you caught a different strain of the flu just after the jab each time but even more unlikely you caught the flu from the vaccine itself, the virus inside it can't replicate.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by Hugh

I showed my brother-in-law your post - he has 36 years post-doctoral experience in pharmaceutical, vaccine, and biosimilar research, development, & production, and has worked for Pfizer, Teva, and other very large multi-national Pharma/Biosimilar companies (he is currently a Senior Vice-President Strategic Development for a $65 billion market capital biotechnology company in the USA).

He said "that’s an interesting viewpoint - obviously disproves the multiple years of research involving hundreds of thousands of test cases, and the decades of evidence involving hundreds of millions of doses given to patients..."

You sure he's not your brother?

Look, I'm not making it up. The flu vaccine has on three occasions reacted with me such that within two days I went sown with flu symptoms. In all the years bar three when I haven't taken the jab, I've not contracted flu or had similar symptoms.

Maybe your b-i-l can explain that - because I'd like to know.



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Originally Posted by Damien

The fact it keeps happening surely suggests a reaction to the jab itself which I why I mentioned asking about it. It is unlikely you caught a different strain of the flu just after the jab each time but even more unlikely you caught the flu from the vaccine itself, the virus inside it can't replicate.

3/3? I've been jabbed for the usual travel type stuff and never suffered any symptoms of anything.

Just the flu jab.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Look, I'm not making it up. The flu vaccine has on three occasions reacted with me such that within two days I went sown with flu symptoms.

As I understand it, After a vaccine it is quite possible to come down with “symptoms” as an immunity response, but you don’t have the virus and you are not infected or infectious.

[jfman]

Jenny Harries says the medical evidence on facemasks is dubious. Start the clock 14 days till they are mandatory in schools.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by Pierre

As I understand it, After a vaccine it is quite possible to come down with “symptoms” as an immunity response, but you don’t have the virus and you are not infected or infectious.

That would be right. The effect on me of a real flu (which I've had twice in my life) and post-jab flu are identical.

Isn't it true that with the live virus your immune system kicks in and you feel rotten? Well so it was 3/3 with the flue jab.

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

3/3 is too much of a coincidence. Anyway, my immune system is very good - my nose hairs appear to stop everything because I get no more than a cold a year which I shed in two days (with the help of Tissue Salts Formula J).

3/3 is well short of a double blind phase 3 or 4 clinical trial.

Exposure to the inactive influenza proteins in the vaccine may cause flu-like symptoms, in greater or lesser severity, or it may not.

If you don’t get vaccinated, you may catch flu, or you may not. I’ve had it once in my life, many years ago as a student, but was vaccinated only for the 7 years I had an employer that offered it.

Along with my siblings, I got travel vaccinations for Tunisia one summer about 30 years ago. I wish I could remember which jab it was ... typhoid, I seem to recall ... but within 5 minutes of the jab all three of us threw up and my sister fainted. The GP had insisted we all stay in his surgery for 15 minutes after the jab because he knew that might happen. But these things affect everyone differently.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by Chris

3/3 is well short of a double blind phase 3 or 4 clinical trial.

Exposure to the inactive influenza proteins in the vaccine may cause flu-like symptoms, in greater or lesser severity, or it may not.

If you don’t get vaccinated, you may catch flu, or you may not. I’ve had it once in my life, many years ago as a student, but was vaccinated only for the 7 years I had an employer that offered it.

Along with my siblings, I got travel vaccinations for Tunisia one summer about 30 years ago. I wish I could remember which jab it was ... typhoid, I seem to recall ... but within 5 minutes of the jab all three of us threw up and my sister fainted. The GP had insisted we all stay in his surgery for 15 minutes after the jab because he knew that might happen. But these things affect everyone differently.

On that note of agreement .....

[nomadking]

A vaccine can take time to set up the immune system. In that time period you could get that or another virus anyway. Often with seasonal flu, there can be more than one virus doing the rounds at the time and the vaccine might not cover all of the viruses out there. Various plausible explanations.

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Isn't it true that with the live virus your immune system kicks in and you feel rotten? Well so it was 3/3 with the flue jab.[/COLOR]

Yeah, as I understand it the symptoms of flu (and most things) are your body fighting the virus. I believe that's why there is a latency period for viral infections - the virus is replicating but your body hasn't started fighting it yet.

But you don't have the live virus in the vaccine. As Pierre says it's possible to get the symptoms of flu but this isn't your body responding to the flu virus but the vaccine itself. I don't know why that would only happen with the flu vaccine and not the others but I guess that depends on the chemistry of the vaccine....

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by Damien

Yeah, as I understand it the symptoms of flu (and most things) are your body fighting the virus. I believe that's why there is a latency period for viral infections - the virus is replicating but your body hasn't started fighting it yet.

But you don't have the live virus in the vaccine. As Pierre says it's possible to get the symptoms of flu but this isn't your body responding to the flu virus but the vaccine itself. I don't know why that would only happen with the flu vaccine and not the others but I guess that depends on the chemistry of the vaccine....

... or the behaviour of my immune system. It's the 3/3 that removes the "may be"s.

[downquark1]

Well my household including my toddler are very sick with something, fevers and chills. Will get a covid test tomorrow. I think it's just a really bad cold. Very frustrating as I only left the house for a takeaway.

[heero_yuy]

Quote from The Sun:

Jeremy Corbyn's brother Piers has been slapped with a £10,000 fine under newly-introduced coronavirus laws for organising an anti-lockdown protest in central London.

The brother of former Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn was among those to attend the "Unite for Freedom" protest on Saturday, which was held in Trafalgar Square.

Piers Corbyn, 73, a climate change denier who set up controversial weather forecasting business Weather Action, said on Twitter he had been handed the fixed penalty fine as "organiser".

In the tweet to his more than 31,000 followers, he called the demonstration an "epic success".

Under new changes to regulations, those attending a gathering of more than 30 people may be committing a criminal offence.

Hundreds of protesters, some of whom displayed anti-mask and anti-vaccination placards, gathered in Trafalgar Square on Saturday afternoon.

Hoaxers and conspiracy theorists: Where would we be without them?

I hope he's got deep pockets.

Originally Posted by papa smurf

Wow the snake oil market is on the up.

Well, he’s currently working on something that will prevent young children dying slowly and painfully of muscle, tendon,& ligament ossification (it can’t be reversed, but the progression can be drastically slowed) - "snake oil" to you, "life-changing" to some families...