Coronavirus (OLD)

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Hugh

Scroll to the bottom of the article, just above the last chart - the final paragraph says why SAGE don’t have confidence in the previous measurements.

Well let’s wait for the coming weeks then.

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by Pierre

We rode out the wave, there is no second wave coming.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/h...-a9671156.html

The UK has recorded its highest daily rise in coronavirus infections for two months, with government data showing a total of 1,441 new cases.

New daily positive tests had fallen significantly from a peak of more than 6,000 through April and May to a low of 352 on 6 July.

But data from the Department of Health and Social Care shows a steady rise since this point, with Friday’s figure some four times higher than those seen just over a month ago.

The ONS stats might be behind the curve.

[1andrew1]

Interesting snippet in my favourite newspaper today. Wales & Scotland forced Boris to agree to bring the deadline quarantine for France forward by 24 hours.

Ministers in London had originally intended to impose the quarantine measures from 4am on Sunday, in order to give holidaymakers a greater chance of getting home before they would be forced to self-isolate for 14 days on their return.
However, the government agreed to introduce the restrictions a day earlier following demands for more immediate action from both Scotland and Wales during a meeting with the devolved administrations late on Thursday evening.
Officials said ministers in London agreed to back down as they were keen to act in “unison” and remove any confusion for travellers returning to different parts of the UK.

https://www.ft.com/content/210e42d7-...8-7ed6f1dfdd67

[Carth]

Oh of all the rotten luck, that link seems to on one of those super secret highly confidential (probably communist) pages that require the payment of monies in order to proceed.

Well I'm not falling for it Baldrick, they can jolly well keep their cunning plan to lure me into debt by a promise of an article 'too good to miss'

[joglynne]

Originally Posted by Carth

Oh of all the rotten luck, that link seems to on one of those super secret highly confidential (probably communist) pages that require the payment of monies in order to proceed.

Well I'm not falling for it Baldrick, they can jolly well keep their cunning plan to lure me into debt by a promise of an article 'too good to miss'

Same information about the cutoff being brought forward 24 hours can be read here for free Carth.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ce-begins.html

[nomadking]

Here's a more accessible link

British holidaymakers in France rushed back to the UK on Friday before a new quarantine took effect following an increase in coronavirus infections.The exodus came after Downing Street announced Thursday evening that travelers from France, the Netherlands, Monaco, Malta, the Turks and Caicos Islands and Aruba should self-isolate upon arrival in the United Kingdom after a sharp increase in Covid-19 cases in these countries.
Ministers originally intended to impose the quarantine measures on Sunday from 4 a.m. but agreed to introduce them a day earlier following requests from Scotland and Wales during a a meeting with decentralized nations on Thursday.
Data from France over the past week showed a 66% increase in newly reported cases, while the Netherlands increased by 52%.
...
Officials in London said ministers had waived their preference to introduce quarantine on Sunday to ensure all British nations act in ‘unison’ and to clear up any confusion for travelers returning to different parts of the UK .

If would be preferable for any quarantine conditions to not only be applied immediately, but retrospectively. The increased risk doesn't magically start after the start date and time, the risk existed before then. It's just crazy that people can rush back before the deadline and somehow not be an infection risk.

Just as when closing of the pubs was announced, and people went out for a "last drink". The increased risk didn't magically start after they closed.

The responsible thing for those having arrived back in the past few days is to go into a self-imposed quarantine for a few days, and then get tested. They certainly shouldn't be going out everywhere.

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Interesting snippet in my favourite newspaper today. Wales & Scotland forced Boris to agree to bring the deadline quarantine for France forward by 24 hours.

https://www.ft.com/content/210e42d7-...8-7ed6f1dfdd67

Any comment about the alleged knee-jerk reaction everyone was going on about re Spain (I think)? Could both the Welsh assembly and Scotland have been behind that?

Oh damn, I forgot, it doesn't fit your agenda. Poor me.

I suppose it really irks you when Boris takes decisions based on what the whole of the Union wish to do.

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by pip08456

Any comment about the alleged knee-jerk reaction everyone was going on about re Spain (I think)? Could both the Welsh assembly and Scotland have been behind that?

Oh damn, I forgot, it doesn't fit your agenda. Poor me.

I suppose it really irks you when Boris takes decisions based on what the whole of the Union wish to do.

Anyone would think he was the head of the Union(United Kingdom).

As it's an external international related health matter and not an internal local one, shouldn't it all be decided at UK level? Border related issues are decided at UK level, and this is a border related issue.

Originally Posted by nomadking

Anyone would think he was the head of the Union(United Kingdom).

As it's an external international related health matter and not an internal local one, shouldn't it all be decided at UK level? Border related issues are decided at UK level, and this is a border related issue.

Nobody in Scotland or Wales is attempting to control the international border. They are mandating the behaviour of people within their area of control, on public health grounds.

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by nomadking

Anyone would think he was the head of the Union(United Kingdom).

As it's an external international related health matter and not an internal local one, shouldn't it all be decided at UK level? Border related issues are decided at UK level, and this is a border related issue.

What part of "the whole of the union" don't you understand? do you think Scotland and Wales shouldn't have any input at all on any decision made which may/may not affect them?

Scenario, someone arrives from France at Heathrow, gets a connecting flight to Glasgow or Cardiff. All of a sudden it becomes an internal border issue.

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by pip08456

What part of "the whole of the union" don't you understand? do you think Scotland and Wales shouldn't have any input at all on any decision made which may/may not affect them?

Scenario, someone arrives from France at Heathrow, gets a connecting flight to Glasgow or Cardiff. All of a sudden it becomes an internal border issue.

And that is exactly why it's a UK matter. People could also land at Glasgow airport and cross into England. It is a UK-wide border issue because it is setting conditions for entry into the UK.

Perhaps the EU "Qualified Majority" principle should be applied?

When the Council votes on a proposal by the Commission or the High Representative of the Union for Foreign Affairs and Security Policy, a qualified majority is reached if two conditions are met:

• 55% of member states vote in favour - in practice this means 15 out of 27
• the proposal is supported by member states representing at least 65% of the total EU population

As England accounts for around 84% of the UK population, whatever England says, goes.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by nomadking

And that is exactly why it's a UK matter. People could also land at Glasgow airport and cross into England. It is a UK-wide border issue because it is setting conditions for entry into the UK.

Perhaps the EU "Qualified Majority" principle should be applied?
As England accounts for around 84% of the UK population, whatever England says, goes.

That's not cricket.

Originally Posted by nomadking

And that is exactly why it's a UK matter. People could also land at Glasgow airport and cross into England. It is a UK-wide border issue because it is setting conditions for entry into the UK.

Perhaps the EU "Qualified Majority" principle should be applied?
As England accounts for around 84% of the UK population, whatever England says, goes.

It is not setting conditions for entry.

It is telling people what to do based on their recent behaviour.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by nomadking

And that is exactly why it's a UK matter. People could also land at Glasgow airport and cross into England. It is a UK-wide border issue because it is setting conditions for entry into the UK.

Perhaps the EU "Qualified Majority" principle should be applied?
As England accounts for around 84% of the UK population, whatever England says, goes.

The first condition would also need to be met, not just the second one.

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Interesting article here analysing Boris Johnson's policy reactions to Covid and how they seem close to Jeremy Corbyn's manifesto. Below is an extract.

SOMETIMES you have to wonder who won the last General Election.

Of course we all have memories of Jeremy Corbyn losing the December ballot. And the Ayatollah Khamenei of Iran still isn’t our Foreign Secretary. So Corbyn must have lost. But to look at some doings of Boris Johnson’s Tory Government there is reason to doubt it.

Consider one of the stories that warned people off Labour at the last election. It was said that Jeremy Corbyn was planning an £83billion tax robbery on the public. Based on spending plans that would have taken this country back to the 1970s.

But look at the cash the current Government has been splashing around.

Borrowing in the first quarter of this year was £128billion — more than £100billion above the same period last year.

Indeed, Government spending since April has been the highest on record. No government has been on such a spending spree since World War Two.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/124118...n-in-disguise/

That's a very muddled article..