UK & EU Agree Post-Brexit Trade Deal

[Carth]

I've not bothered with either of the above links . . . if I did, I'd only end up counting all of the 'if, maybe, could, possibly, upto, may, subject to' etc etc that are sure to be in there

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

I'm surprised you've not come across this in your research already.
Please Google "UK and Japan rush to secure post-Brexit trade deal" and you will see the FT article concerned.

Why should I do research for you and end up at a paywall?

[Sephiroth]

Sadly, Andrew is mired in Remainerism and I told you so-ism.

I am astounded that someone should be so apologetic (for want of a more appropriate word) on behalf of the EU's unwillingness to recognise our sovereignty and also to describe the UK as "junior".

I understand his point about other parties holding certain cards to their advantage but he links this to "cake and eat it" when the only party wanting that is the EU.

I'm sure that we will have to give some ground on our desires vis-a-vis Japan, but once a trade deal is agreed, we'll all settle into its terms and move forward.

But the ground that the bullying EWU wants us to give is beyond the pale - supremacy of the ECJ? Andrew - what's wrong with you?

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Sadly, Andrew is mired in Remainerism and I told you so-ism.

I am astounded that someone should be so apologetic (for want of a more appropriate word) on behalf of the EU's unwillingness to recognise our sovereignty and also to describe the UK as "junior".

I understand his point about other parties holding certain cards to their advantage but he links this to "cake and eat it" when the only party wanting that is the EU.

I'm sure that we will have to give some ground on our desires vis-a-vis Japan, but once a trade deal is agreed, we'll all settle into its terms and move forward.

But the ground that the bullying EWU wants us to give is beyond the pale - supremacy of the ECJ? Andrew - what's wrong with you?

I can't see any sensible person agreeing to that!

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by pip08456

I can't see any sensible person agreeing to that!

You'll have noticed that Andrew doesn't say he agrees to ECJ supremacy. He merely wants to point out that we were warned about this before signing the Withdrawal Agreement.

Andrew completely ignores the very clear view of the majority of voters, which is one of the fundamental pillars of our democracy.

[pip08456]

Andrew is, was, and always will be a remainer. I accept that and don't hold it against him. Just as I hope he dosen't hold the fact that we are leavers against us.

All his post are from a remainers narrative so what do you expect? I don't hold it against him.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by pip08456

Andrew is, was, and always will be a remainer. I accept that and don't hold it against him. Just as I hope he dosen't hold the fact that we are leavers against us.

All his post are from a remainers narrative so what do you expect? I don't hold it against him.

I echo that. But when I ask him directly "What's wrong with the UK wanting a Canada type deal, I get the Remainer's obfuscation but no answer.

Has Andrew got no advice to give on how we might attain such a deal?

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by pip08456

Why should I do research for you and end up at a paywall?

If you follow my instructions, you won't encounter a paywall. They're not for my benefit as I've already read the article.

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

If you follow my instructions, you won't encounter a paywall. They're not for my benefit as I've already read the article.

So I now have to follow your instructions! Dream on!

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by pip08456

So I now have to follow your instructions! Dream on!

You asked me how to get the article and I responded. Your previous enthusiasm for the article seems to have wilted with the knowledge that multiple key strokes are required.

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

You asked me how to get the article and I responded. Your previous enthusiasm for the article seems to have wilted with the knowledge that multiple key strokes are required.

Show me and everyone else where I asked you how to get the article.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Sadly, Andrew is mired in Remainerism and I told you so-ism.

I am astounded that someone should be so apologetic (for want of a more appropriate word) on behalf of the EU's unwillingness to recognise our sovereignty and also to describe the UK as "junior".

I understand his point about other parties holding certain cards to their advantage but he links this to "cake and eat it" when the only party wanting that is the EU.

I'm sure that we will have to give some ground on our desires vis-a-vis Japan, but once a trade deal is agreed, we'll all settle into its terms and move forward.

But the ground that the bullying EWU wants us to give is beyond the pale - supremacy of the ECJ? Andrew - what's wrong with you?

I'm used to doing deals both in a big business and as a smaller or junior one. As a larger business, you can get a great deal and compel the other party to accept your TsandCs. As a smaller party, you're a bit of a deal-taker. I don't apply emotive language to describe the balance of power, I just get on and strike the best deal I can being aware of deadlines for sales reps' targets, competitors' offerings and taking my time to get the best possible deal so I never get bounced into a bad deal.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

I'm used to doing deals both in a big business and as a smaller or junior one. As a larger business, you can get a great deal and compel the other party to accept your TsandCs. As a smaller party, you're a bit of a deal-taker. I don't apply emotive language to describe the balance of power, I just get on and strike the best deal I can being aware of deadlines for sales reps' targets, competitors' offerings and taking my time to get the best possible deal so I never get bounced into a bad deal.

We're getting somewhere now. Btw, like you I'm experienced at doing deals from both sides of the 'bigness' fence. Of course I have blended the other side's suggestions with my needs and their desire for my product - and vice versa. It usually works out well as you've implied.

When it comes to the EU and its constituent willy-waving countries in the hands of idiot (doesn't best describe them) politicians coupled (in the UK case) with entrenched voters, don't expect the logical sentiments you have expressed to be fully applicable. Quite the contrary, in the case of the EU, their 27 willies are a huge distraction.

In the case of Japan, it's rather more like the way you describe it and even our idiot politicians will most likely reach a sensible deal this side of January.

Other countries will likely fit your scenario in terms of trade negotiations.

Just not the EU who are bullies, want their cake and eat it.

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[Sephiroth]

There is so much latitude on "swearing" that it is difficult to know when the words will be deleted. In this case, plenty of synonyms are allowed and I wouldn't intentionally wish to invoke the filter.