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[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by Carth

Probably why you misinterpreted the post then, other places have a mix of nationalities, some of which definitely struggle with comprehending English

... and of sufficiently different culture as not to want to obey the rules.

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by denphone

So how do you explain a area like Trafford which is a mostly affluent part of Greater Manchester where health officials said younger middle-class residents were behind the recent rise in cases and not the south Asian community?.

How does that specifically exclude the south Asian community?

How do you explain this?

Councillor Arooj Shah said Oldham had seen a rise in infections among communities of Pakistani and Bangladeshi heritage.

Just because a borough is included, doesn't mean it's a problem area.
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William Wragg, MP for the Hazel Grove, tweeted “to treat all 10 boroughs the same is not the right approach.”
His constituency is inside Stockport borough, which has recorded low infection rates but saw a surge in cases at the weekend.
“I know the Stockport figures have increased, but they are not on the same scale as Oldham and some other boroughs,” he told the Local Democracry Reporting Service
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‘Greater Manchester’ is not one homogeneous area. We must always err on the side of caution with Covid, but to treat all 10 boroughs the same is not the right approach. I will update constituents as soon as I am given further information, other than what has been announced.

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'A lot' of British Muslims have not taken the threat of coronavirus 'seriously enough' and a lack of social distancing has caused a 'dangerous' spike in cases in the north of England, a mosque president told MailOnline today.

Mohammed Ashrif Tahir Nushai, 84, a community leader in Bradford, spoke out as the Government was blasted for imposing a new lockdown in Manchester, east Lancashire and West Yorkshire at the start of Eid.
Mr Nushai told MailOnline: ‘Sadly, there are people within our community who are not taking coronavirus seriously enough. Since the easing of the main lockdown, a lot of people have been visiting relatives and friends and attending events in each other’s homes with very little thought of keeping themselves safe
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Akhtar Mahmood, a member of the mosque committee added: ‘One of the big problems we have had is of people going to pay their respects at the homes of those who have recently died. We lost a member of our congregation two weeks ago and there were 50 people gathered at his house to express their sympathies.’ A single road in Bradford registered an astonishing 17 coronavirus cases within six days, it has emerged.

[1andrew1]

Covid 19 means a Conservative government has effectively carried out Corbyn's dream of nationalising the railways. Add this to the £400m investment in the OneWeb satellite business, the 62% stake in NatWest Group and paying people not to work via the furlough scheme and you have quite a socialist government!

ONS says UK rail has effectively been renationalised during pandemic
The coronavirus pandemic and lockdown forced the government to take emergency steps to prop up train companies by assuming the financial risk of rail franchises, after passenger numbers dwindled almost to nothing.
The Office for National Statistics has now written to the Treasury and the Scottish government to inform them of its decision to reclassify train companies as public non-financial corporations in the light of the measures.
The change, backdated to 1 April, means rail companies’ borrowing will be factored into ONS figures on public-sector borrowing and the number of state employees.
At the same time, train companies are not allowed to make timetable changes or change staffing numbers without specific government approval.
State support for rail firms means almost all revenue and cost risk from the companies are “borne by the government”, the ONS said.

https://www.theguardian.com/business...uring-pandemic

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Covid 19 means a Conservative government has effectively carried out Corbyn's dream of nationalising the railways. Add this to the £400m investment in the OneWeb satellite business, the 62% stake in NatWest Group and paying people not to work via the furlough scheme and you have quite a socialist government!


https://www.theguardian.com/business...uring-pandemic

You won't think that when your paying for all these things.

The difference is, these decisions have been taken based on pragmatism and the immediate need to preserve what is intended to be, in the long run, a private sector operation. The power of the state is used to preserve freedom to do business and innovate in the long run, and not to perpetrate continuous socialist revolution as per Corbyn and his ideological fellow travellers.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Covid 19 means a Conservative government has effectively carried out Corbyn's dream of nationalising the railways. Add this to the £400m investment in the OneWeb satellite business, the 62% stake in NatWest Group and paying people not to work via the furlough scheme and you have quite a socialist government!


https://www.theguardian.com/business...uring-pandemic

Well done the Guvmin to do what's necessary - to the extent described above.

Originally Posted by papa smurf

You won't think that when your paying for all these things.

Just like after the 2008 Financial Crisis...

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Well done the Guvmin to do what's necessary - to the extent described above.

Agreed - pragmatism over ideology...

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Hugh

Just like after the 2008 Financial Crisis...

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Agreed - pragmatism over ideology...

i bought my first boat on the proceeds of that "crisis"

The government seems to have gone from a "lets think about this" approach to a headless chicken, knee jerk, lets panic approach. I've tried hard to support them and the sometimes baffling decisions they have made, but its just gone ridiculous now. From my discussions with family and friends, they are losing the support of the people (us) with these latest changes.

First with facemasks, then spain, now with lockdown (un)easing.
The leisure centre my family use was all ready to open on Aug 13th, my family had sessions booked. Now its all gone to pot again.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Paul

The government seems to have gone from a "lets think about this" approach to a headless chicken, knee jerk, lets panic approach. I've tried hard to support them and the sometimes baffling decisions they have made, but its just gone ridiculous now. From my discussions with family and friends, they are losing the support of the people (us) with these latest changes.

First with facemasks, then spain, now with lockdown (un)easing.
The leisure centre my family use was all ready to open on Aug 13th, my family had sessions booked. Now its all gone to pot again.

The good news is they are “following the science”.

Well they don't have the scope anymore not to react quickly. It does seem we locked down a few days, maybe a week, too late precisely because they wondered if they could manage it a bit more effectively. It's a hard judgement call but it cost them and so now they're going to react much quicker. Maybe they've overacted but if this had turned out to be the start of a major outbreak then that would look awful too.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Well done the Guvmin to do what's necessary - to the extent described above.

I'm not sure that splashing out £400m to invest in a bankrupt Florida satellite company was entirely necessary, it strikes me more as gambling with tax-payers hard-earned cash. However, I agree that nationalising the railways was necessary given the fall-off in customers.

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Originally Posted by Damien

Well they don't have the scope anymore not to react quickly. It does seem we locked down a few days, maybe a week, too late precisely because they wondered if they could manage it a bit more effectively. It's a hard judgement call but it cost them and so now they're going to react much quicker. Maybe they've overacted but if this had turned out to be the start of a major outbreak then that would look awful too.

Agreed - a bit damned if they do, damned if they don't. But I think the manner in which yesterday's northern England restrictions was conducted was not as good as it could have been.

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by jfman

The good news is they are “following the science”.

You’ve forgotten to include the word ‘selectively’

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

... and of sufficiently different culture as not to want to obey the rules.

When I read your post to my Dalmatian, it barked uncontrollably for some reason...

Anyway, I wonder what "culture" these people are from?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-englan...607907?SThisFB

Beach crowds descend on Bournemouth, Brighton and Poole

Sun-seekers had to be turned away as thousands descended on Bournemouth and Poole to visit the towns' beaches on the UK's hottest day of the year.

By 09:00 BST roads were gridlocked and a mobile app to aid social distancing was showing red in three areas - meaning "avoid".

Police and council officers patrolled the seafronts in both towns.
Brighton and Hove City Council, said crowds were making it "impossible to maintain physical distancing" there.

And in Kent, Thanet District Council said some of its most popular beaches were full.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by Hugh

When I read your post to my Dalmatian, it barked uncontrollably for some reason...

Anyway, I wonder what "culture" these people are from?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-englan...607907?SThisFB

There’s lemmings and different cultures. Plus everyone knows what I’m talking about.