Coronavirus (OLD)

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Mr K

True, but but months ago before things kicked off. The Govt said it was totally safe and I for one, believed them. Silly me.

Keep up those double standards

[nomadking]

Is it returning overseas travellers causing the problem?


Is there a specific problem activity or is it various ones?Are we allowed to say?

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by nomadking

Is it returning overseas travellers causing the problem?


Is there a specific problem activity or is it various ones?Are we allowed to say?

As they were accused of being too slow with the original lockdown I would imagine they are now being over cautious so they cannot be accused of the same again.

Who in their right mind wold travel to another country in the midst of a global pandemic and not expect a quarantine if the cases started rising in their holiday country anyway?

Originally Posted by nomadking

Is it returning overseas travellers causing the problem?


Is there a specific problem activity or is it various ones?Are we allowed to say?

Well, you appear to be hinting...

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by pip08456

As they were accused of being too slow with the original lockdown I would imagine they are now being over cautious so they cannot be accused of the same again.

Who in their right mind wold travel to another country in the midst of a global pandemic and not expect a quarantine if the cases started rising in their holiday country anyway?

But are these outbreaks a result of overseas travel?

[pip08456]

I'm referring to the quarantine of those returning form holiday "hot spots" not the local UK ones.

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by pip08456

I'm referring to the quarantine of those returning form holiday "hot spots" not the local UK ones.

Well you were replying to my post, which was about the local lockdowns.

Where I normally defend the government I voted for, I absolutely cannot defend them tonight, announcing on Twitter to millions of people at almost the 11th hour of the evening, these new restrictions that make absolutely no sense, households to be banned from seeing other households but can see them at the pub....

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Mick

Where I normally defend the government I voted for, I absolutely cannot defend them tonight, announcing on Twitter to millions of people at almost the 11th hour of the evening, these new restrictions that make absolutely no sense, households to be banned from seeing other households but can see them at the pub....

It's hard when people start to get used to be a bit more freedom to find it taken away, however necessary it is. Let's hope it's not for too long. But I agree it has been handled very poorly.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Mick

Where I normally defend the government I voted for, I absolutely cannot defend them tonight, announcing on Twitter to millions of people at almost the 11th hour of the evening, these new restrictions that make absolutely no sense, households to be banned from seeing other households but can see them at the pub....

I’ll bat for the Government then

While not a fan of the mechanics of the announcement (Twitter) it’s unfortunately the best mechanism to quickly get a message out.

Banned from seeing other households (at home) means the vast majority will not. Yes, you could go to the pub, but the percentage that will is lower, and pubs should have mitigation in place.

Boris himself said in March (prior to lockdown) it’s about minimising social contact. Aggregated over the entire population the policy as implement achieves that to some degree.

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by jfman

I’ll bat for the Government then

While not a fan of the mechanics of the announcement (Twitter) it’s unfortunately the best mechanism to quickly get a message out.

Banned from seeing other households (at home) means the vast majority will not. Yes, you could go to the pub, but the percentage that will is lower, and pubs should have mitigation in place.

Boris himself said in March (prior to lockdown) it’s about minimising social contact. Aggregated over the entire population the policy as implement achieves that to some degree.

Minimising social contact but people can still go to pubs & restaurants and to work?

It would be better to state that it's about minimising social contact so long as it doesn't affect the economy.

[joglynne]

For anyone interested here's a link to an article in the Manchester Evening News last week. Last night's Government announcement has been on the cards for a few weeks and hopefully people in Gtr Manchester, including in my borough Trafford will take this seriously and try to curb the rising infection rates.

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co...virus-18684548

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

Minimising social contact but people can still go to pubs & restaurants and to work?

It would be better to state that it's about minimising social contact so long as it doesn't affect the economy.

I think the issue is that pubs and restaurants have guidance in place and perspex dividers etc whereas people's houses are not so appropriately equipped. Stopping people going to work must be a last resort, but many are still furloughed or working from home at the moment anyway.

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

I think the issue is that pubs and restaurants have guidance in place and perspex dividers etc whereas people's houses are not so appropriately equipped. Stopping people going to work must be a last resort, but many are still furloughed or working from home at the moment anyway.

You don't just magically teleport from your home/place of work to a pub or restaurant though.

Going to the pub you're likely to either use public transport, a taxi or walk, there's significant social interaction in any of those methods.

Whilst i can agree with regards to people meeting indoors being stopped. I'm not so sure why the meeting in gardens has to?

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Originally Posted by pip08456

As they were accused of being too slow with the original lockdown I would imagine they are now being over cautious so they cannot be accused of the same again.

Who in their right mind wold travel to another country in the midst of a global pandemic and not expect a quarantine if the cases started rising in their holiday country anyway?

Quite, as always it's about being aware and accepting responsibility/circumstances for the choices you make.

Unless there's any changes I'll be going away in September (holiday already paid for last year) to an area with 0 reported infections 0 deaths. If in that time whilst I'm away I learn i have to self isolate when i return then thats on me.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

You don't just magically teleport from your home/place of work to a pub or restaurant though.

Going to the pub you're likely to either use public transport, a taxi or walk, there's significant social interaction in any of those methods.

Whilst i can agree with regards to people meeting indoors being stopped. I'm not so sure why the meeting in gardens has to?

It's a bit confusing as Matt Hancock's tweet said "The spread is largely due to households meeting and not abiding to social distancing. So from midnight tonight, people from different households will not be allowed to meet each other indoors in these areas." So, no reference to gardens there.

The Government promised a press conference for any big announcement but it seems to believe this is not such an announcement.

I would have thought good practice would be to either let everyone know as soon as possible as they did then follow up with a press conference the next day or just announce it at the press conference so the message is as clear as possible. (Clarity v speed of messaging debate)