Black Lives Matter

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

No one's suggesting calling out a slave-trader's descendants, just calling out the slave-trader.

Sure, but the slave trader they're calling out is very long dead and they were called out when anti-slavery laws were passed in 1833.

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

And history is history. You gonna call someone out whose grandfather was a brutal SS officer? Let it go.

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Nope. Today's standards have nothing to do with the past phase when standards were different. Let it go.

If they laud him as a benefactor and put up a statue to him, definitely.

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth

http://ldhi.library.cofc.edu/exhibit...erybeforetrade


Makes nonsense of the narrow complaints of the colonial days.

You woke bleaters should pack it in and let our society and legal system deal with today's issues, including punishing BLM demonstrators who attack property.

Do you mean like ignoring requests for quite a few years, to have a more balanced plaque on Colston’s statue, showing whilst he was a benefactor, he also was a slave trader?

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by Hugh

If they laud him as a benefactor and put up a statue to him, definitely.

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Do you mean like ignoring requests for quite a few years, to have a more balanced plaque on Colston’s statue, showing whilst he was a benefactor, he also was a slave trader?

Part of the evolution.

Originally Posted by Hugh

Do you mean like ignoring requests for quite a few years, to have a more balanced plaque on Colston’s statue, showing whilst he was a benefactor, he also was a slave trader?

That does not bestow upon them the right to pull it down and throw it in the sea. That's called vandalism.

[denphone]

Originally Posted by Paul

That does not bestow upon them the right to pull it down and throw it in the sea. That's called vandalism.

No it does not give them the right to pull it down and throw it in the sea but l do think there should be a more balanced context to what is put on the plaque on the statue..

[Carth]

Originally Posted by denphone

No it does not give them the right to pull it down and throw it in the sea but l do think there should be a more balanced context to what is put on the plaque on the statue..

What was put on the plaque was done in 1895 when the statue was erected. I'm almost convinced things were a little different back then, but I'm open to arguements that they weren't

[denphone]

Originally Posted by Carth

What was put on the plaque was done in 1895 when the statue was erected. I'm almost convinced things were a little different back then, but I'm open to arguements that they weren't

Of course things were different then but it is quite easy to do a new plaque with far more context to it which people can then see and form a more wider understanding of the person the statue was done for.

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by denphone

No it does not give them the right to pull it down and throw it in the sea but l do think there should be a more balanced context to what is put on the plaque on the statue..

Does that "balanced context" extend to highlighting the depth and extent of Black African involvement? Doesn't seem to get much emphasis.

As everyone knows (!) slavery only started a few hundred years ago, and was exclusively the English taking Africans as slaves.

... or so all these "activists" would have you think.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by denphone

Of course things were different then but it is quite easy to do a new plaque with far more context to it which people can then see and form a more wider understanding of the person the statue was done for.

All this because a US policeman knelt on a man's neck and killed him.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

All this because a US policeman knelt on a man's neck and killed him.

Quite. Nowt to do with statues and abolition of capitalism! The movement has been hijacked.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Quite. Nowt to do with statues and abolition of capitalism! The movement has been hijacked.

... and long over-debated in this thread (imo).

[Jimmy-J]

Originally Posted by denphone

Of course things were different then but it is quite easy to do a new plaque with far more context to it which people can then see and form a more wider understanding of the person the statue was done for.

In this day and age, it's easier to get that info from our phones.

[Carth]

Originally Posted by Jimmy-J

In this day and age, it's easier to get that info from our phones.

no no, we must all cast our phones into the dark depths, we must never allow the use of an instrument probably devised and developed using funds quite possibly achieved through an historical act of slavery, begone phone, and take you're bloody annoying ring tones with you

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

All this because a US policeman knelt on a man's neck and killed him.

If you think that, you are being obtuse (perhaps deliberately)...

That was the straw that broke the camel’s back, being just the latest in a long history of violence and inequality.