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[Pierre]

Originally Posted by ianch99

You're having fun with your new word. You think invading countries, subjugating their people and exploiting their resources is just part of "evolving" and so is legitimate? Strange moral compass you have.

To be fair, that was the way the world operated since the dawn of time until the last hundred years or so.

Originally Posted by Pierre

To be fair, that was the way the world operated since the dawn of time until the last hundred years or so.

Although in the context of people talking of 'wokeness' it was the loud minority who started to change things eventually. Whether it's the abolitionists, suffragettes or labour (small l) movements.

Doesn't mean 'woke' people are always right, use the right tactics or even achieve those things quickly but the progress we have made so far wasn't achieved by accepting things as they were.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by Damien

Although in the context of people talking of 'wokeness' it was the loud minority who started to change things eventually. Whether it's the abolitionists, suffragettes or labour (small l) movements.

Doesn't mean 'woke' people are always right, use the right tactics or even achieve those things quickly but the progress we have made so far wasn't achieved by accepting things as they were.

Today's woke includes the politically correct lot; those who want to remove the word"white" from many contexts. Basically running dogs who take matters too far so that our culture is at risk.

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

... not to mention the Arabs who don't give a fig about anyone else, especially infidels.

ianch is so damn woke that he can't take a common sense view. The past is the past and it is the present and future that matters.

Btw, just to put the proverbial spanner into ianch's works, places like Zimbabwe, dare I say, Kenya, Rwanda and similar ilk would thrive if they were under benevolent British administration. Of course they wouldn't stand for it - the leaders would be deprived of their corrupt gains.

In ianch's world, all statues of people deemed to have been connected with past practices that are deprecated by the woke lot, will be torn down; the Queen's head would have to come off stamps because here grandfather was an arch colonialist.

We have bigger problems to face like how long it will take at present ethnic birth rates before we all have to face east. Start worrying.

https://tribune.com.pk/story/1665803...ports-guardian

I think your use of your new favourite insult is getting tiresome. Your labeling of a complex issue by a trite pejorative is lazy to say the least. The word is used to shut down debate and to misdirect.

The fact that you, I assume with a straight face, suggest a new "benevolent British administration" for Kenya, etc. betrays a rose tinted view of the Empire where you focus exclusively on the perceived positives and ignore all of the negatives. That is the essence of British Exceptionalism I suppose.

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Originally Posted by Damien

Although in the context of people talking of 'wokeness' it was the loud minority who started to change things eventually. Whether it's the abolitionists, suffragettes or labour (small l) movements.

Doesn't mean 'woke' people are always right, use the right tactics or even achieve those things quickly but the progress we have made so far wasn't achieved by accepting things as they were.

You are so right. It also wasn't progressed by accepting that invasion, subjugation and exploitation was "the way the world operated"

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Today's woke includes the politically correct lot; those who want to remove the word"white" from many contexts. Basically running dogs who take matters too far so that our culture is at risk.

Congratulations!

You managed to get a full line on "buzzword bingo" - you are today’s winner on the "Oh my God, "they’re" taking over!" Daily Telegraph comments competition.

Originally Posted by ianch99

... a rose tinted view of the Empire where you focus exclusively on the perceived positives and ignore all of the negatives.

How is that different from the opposite which seems to be the in thing atm, focus exclusively on the perceived negatives and ignore all of the positives ?

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Today's woke includes the politically correct lot; those who want to remove the word"white" from many contexts. Basically running dogs who take matters too far so that our culture is at risk.

Come on Seph, Old Bean. You're coming across as a tad defensive with your frequent wolfwhistles of "woke". The world's changing and we need to change with it to avoid going the way of the dinosaurs.

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

The world's changing and we need to change with it to avoid going the way of the dinosaurs.

You're expecting a meteroite strike ?

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by Paul

You're expecting a meteroite strike ?

Only a matter of time Paul ! ( although climate change is a far bigger risk....)

Originally Posted by Hugh

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Congratulations!

You managed to get a full line on "buzzword bingo" - you are today’s winner on the "Oh my God, "they’re" taking over!" Daily Telegraph comments competition.

Oh you are awful but I like you..

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Come on Seph, Old Bean. You're coming across as a tad defensive with your frequent wolfwhistles of "woke". The world's changing and we need to change with it to avoid going the way of the dinosaurs.

I can't even say "I resemble that remark". I'm on the attack.
Wokeism and PC combined are an affront to reasonability.

Many of the woke folk have no perspective on British history and are just jumping on a BLM bandwagon out of their ignorance. There's nothing wrong with British culture, pre-woke British attitudes and our sense of what's right or wrong.

I've only just started! BAME, LGBTQ+_ABC1 squared. Jeez, labelling so that the woke have something to latch onto.

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Many of the woke folk have no perspective on British history and are just jumping on a BLM bandwagon out of their ignorance. There's nothing wrong with British culture, pre-woke British attitudes and our sense of what's right or wrong.

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What counts as pre-work British attitudes? Because homosexuality used to be illegal, women didn't get the vote and even child labour was varying degrees of legal (dependent on what they counted as 'child') within recent British history.

Originally Posted by Damien

What counts as pre-work British attitudes? Because homosexuality used to be illegal, women didn't get the vote and even child labour was varying degrees of legal (dependent on what they counted as 'child') within recent British history.

Also abortion was illegal, making it legal cut the risks from back street abortionists.

In fact I'd hate to go back to pre-woke times. There were too many horrors associated with those times. Slums,no healthcare,poor water supply,sewage in the streets,rampant disease(oops,still got those) and all the ills that apparently made us the greatest nation in the world.

No thank you. I want us to be very woke and very much inclined to improve EVERYONE'S lot in life wherever they come from and what ever their ethnicity.

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Come on Seph, Old Bean. You're coming across as a tad defensive with your frequent wolfwhistles of "woke". The world's changing and we need to change with it to avoid going the way of the dinosaurs.

The Telegraph have been using it in their headlines and opinion pieces, and so the Sir Bufton Tufton "groupthink" follow on - they think it's an insult...

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by Paul

How is that different from the opposite which seems to be the in thing atm, focus exclusively on the perceived negatives and ignore all of the positives ?

Why are the negatives "perceived"? I think these are pretty real negatives to those we colonised. Of course, there are benefits to imperial rule: nice new roads, the "British" way of running things, etc. but I doubt, the invaded view these as what they needed to "focus" on.

The bottom line is we have a recent* past that, in a modern context, can and should be viewed as containing many wrongs and as such, a recognition of these need to happen. It is the quiet admiration of our imperial past that drives a lot of today's English Nationalism. Until we recognise this past is flawed, we will never be able to make an objective assessment of our place in the world.


* recent meaning in the last 150 years