Black Lives Matter

[RichardCoulter]

Originally Posted by nomadking

The picture isn't really about White and Black, it's about the notions of Light and Dark.

I've heard it said that the consideration of everything white/light as something positive and everything black/dark to be something seen as negative is an example of unconcious bias eg white lie, white witch v blackmail, unlucky black cat etc.

In fact, colour prejudice even extends to cats, black cats are notoriously harder to rehome according to animal shelters!

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Unfortunately, the sneering of people like Fiona Bruce, who seems to prefer cutting him and other Brexiteers off before they have uttered a complete sentence give the game away!

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And where was the violence in the Floyd case, nomadking? It all came from the police, who compressed his neck for a full 9 minutes. There is no excuse for that, they could have simply handcuffed him. I trust you actually saw the video footage?

It wouldn’t have happened to a pinkskin.

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You can interpret the Bible however you like. It’s a good weapon that preachers can use against us and it’s an excellent excuse for people doing bad deeds.

I would be more convinced if you had a photo...

After the incident where an American cop was filmed beating up a black man back in the 1990's, she said "I don't like them, but I think that they should be fair with them".

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Originally Posted by nomadking

Black is often associated with bad, evil, satanic, etc because that is the colour of the night. Nothing whatsoever to do with skin colour.

...and the night will have traditionally been seen as dangerous many years ago as that's when predators are about.

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

I've heard it said that the consideration of everything white/light as something positive and everything black/dark to be something seen as negative is an example of unconcious bias eg white lie, white witch v blackmail, unlucky black cat etc.

In fact, colour prejudice even extends to cats, black cats are notoriously harder to rehome according to animal shelters!

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After the incident where an American cop was filmed beating up a black man back in the 1990's, she said "I don't like them, but I think that they should be fair with them".

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...and the night will have traditionally been seen as dangerous many years ago as that's when predators are about.

Unconscious bias? What complete and utter nonsense the whole thing is.

The notion of Light=Good and Dark=Bad, has been around for thousands of years, and many parts of the world.

Some scholars believe that key concepts of Zoroastrian eschatology and demonology influenced the Abrahamic religions. On the other hand, Zoroastrianism itself inherited ideas from other belief systems and, like other "practiced" religions, accommodates some degree of syncretism, with Zoroastrianism in Sogdia, the Kushan Empire, Armenia, China, and other places incorporating local and foreign practices and deities. Zoroastrian influences on Hungarian, Slavic, Ossetian, Turkic and Mongol mythologies have also been noted, all of which bearing extensive light-dark dualisms and possible sun god theonyms related to Hvare-khshaeta

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The phrase "hell is utter darkness" is in Exodus of the Old Testament.

Originally Posted by Pierre

Who exactly? Were polls taken? After every episode of Monty Python, Fawlty Towers, and pretty much every comedy show, are polls taken to make sure the audience understand that it is comedy?

No they are not, the quote from the LA times you posted is 1no. Persons opinion piece. It is not “a lot if people”. I don’t even know what you consider “a lot” to be? Ev3n the author of the post you quoted uses vague terms such as “some” people. Is their “some” equal to your “ a lot”


It’s tripe. And you should know better at your age.



So if I, for example, had an opinion as a white middle aged male, a considered and objective opinion on the matter. That did not fit with the BLM narrative. Then I could express that, no problem, I wouldn’t be attacked, I would be listened to, objectively, and if and were appropriate challenged in a non-violent and threatening way?

Bollocks Hugh and you know it.

Please accept my heartfelt condolences on your oppression, and the suffering and anguish you are having to go through - thoughts and prayers are with you...

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Hugh

Please accept my heartfelt condolences on your oppression, and the suffering and anguish you are having to go through - thoughts and prayers are with you...

Don't worry you can be outraged on his behalf

Around and around and around we go..and yet no real suggestions to address the situation.

As I see it it's not easy given that white people feel on the defensive but if we could get past that maybe we could come up with some equitable solutions that don't impact unfairly on any ethnic or racial grouping?

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Maggy

Around and around and around we go..and yet no real suggestions to address the situation.

As I see it it's not easy given that white people feel on the defensive but if we could get past that maybe we could come up with some equitable solutions that don't impact unfairly on any ethnic or racial grouping?

Including the ethnically white population?

[downquark1]

Originally Posted by Maggy

Around and around and around we go..and yet no real suggestions to address the situation.

As I see it it's not easy given that white people feel on the defensive but if we could get past that maybe we could come up with some equitable solutions that don't impact unfairly on any ethnic or racial grouping?

Systemic problems require absolute expert knowledge to address and the advocacy movements have not been making any attempts to educate people. Take Trumps executive order of a police database: I've listened to hours and hours of stuff about the US Police and I didn't even know that was a problem.

And even if we had solutions we are not the "correct" people to offer them in this narrative.

[RichardCoulter]

Correction of earlier post (it won't let me edit it):

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

I've heard it said that the consideration of everything white/light as something positive and everything black/dark to be something seen as negative is an example of unconcious bias eg white lie, white witch v blackmail, unlucky black cat etc.

In fact, colour prejudice even extends to cats, black cats are notoriously harder to rehome according to animal shelters!

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After the incident where an American cop was filmed beating up a black man back in the 1990's, an elderly lady once said to me"I don't like them, but I think that they should be fair with them".

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...and the night will have traditionally been seen as dangerous many years ago as that's when predators are about.

[denphone]

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

Correction of earlier post (it won't let me edit it):

You have two hours to edit a post once its posted Richard and after that it cannot be edited.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by nomadking

Handcuffed doesn't mean you are immobile. You can still thrash around and/or spit on people. One of the 2 non-White officers was kneeling on his chest.
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Being handcuffed with your arms behind your back probably also doesn't help. Try it with your own arms behind your back(no need to get out the handcuffs)

If you actually watch the relevant section of the video, you will see that he was not resisting arrest when he was then pinned to the ground for a full 9 minutes. He did not struggle and he told the officers he could not breathe. He was in that position for 9 minutes, for God sake! We all saw it. We heard him pleading for his life, but they did not care. So why are you defending the police? Do you really think that was reasonable behaviour from professional police officers?

You cannot seriously expect to be able to divert attention by referring to the black policeman, who had been with the force for just a couple of weeks and therefore would have been doing as he was ordered to do.

The rest of the civilised world is appalled and disgusted by the behaviour of the police in this case and you should stop trying to defend the indefensible.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Hugh

Please accept my heartfelt condolences on your oppression, and the suffering and anguish you are having to go through - thoughts and prayers are with you...

what are you on about? I've never said I'm oppressed, I've got white privilege after all.

But nice little trick there to just type anything you want to try belittle my post, because you haven't actually got any plausible answer to it.

Pah!

Originally Posted by downquark1

Systemic problems require absolute expert knowledge to address and the advocacy movements have not been making any attempts to education people. Take Trumps executive order of a police database: I've listened to hours and hours of stuff about the US Police and I didn't even know that was a problem..

This is something people have said for a while in the States. That police who are fired can move elsewhere without a problem. Like you, I didn't know it was a problem though. It's much easier to see what the United States should do than what we should do. I am not sure if that's a problem with the movement here being too Americanised, that America's problems are so much more obvious or a combination of those.

Originally Posted by papa smurf

Including the ethnically white population?

Really? You took from what I said that I didn't include EVERYBODY including you? So do I have to specifically include you every time?Even though I have already included you..Though do you identify as white or blue these days?

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

If you actually watch the relevant section of the video, you will see that he was not resisting arrest when he was then pinned to the ground for a full 9 minutes. He did not struggle and he told the officers he could not breathe. He was in that position for 9 minutes, for God sake! We all saw it. We heard him pleading for his life, but they did not care. So why are you defending the police? Do you really think that was reasonable behaviour from professional police officers?

You cannot seriously expect to be able to divert attention by referring to the black policeman, who had been with the force for just a couple of weeks and therefore would have been doing as he was ordered to do.

The rest of the civilised world is appalled and disgusted by the behaviour of the police in this case and you should stop trying to defend the indefensible.

Spot on, Old Boy. Nail on the head!

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Maggy

Really? You took from what I said that I didn't include EVERYBODY including you? So do I have to specifically include you every time?Even though I have already included you..Though do you identify as white or blue these days?

I'd go with olive.