Coronavirus (OLD)

[RichardCoulter]

Originally Posted by ianch99

Don't forget that the labelling has changed a lot since the Conservatives were in power in the 1960's. The Vote Leave Tories in power now are a pale and shallow imitation of the mostly one nation Conservatives up until the mid-1970s.

Saying the two types of Tory party of then and now would be a futile exercise. The Tories of old had a, rightly deserved, reputation of decency, integrity and honesty. This new lot cannot even spell the words nevermind abide by them. The only merit of getting a Cabinet post is being a Vote Leave disciple, ability is a bonus. Take Hancock and the "App" for a nice example:

"We backed both horses" - and worked on two apps at once. On-record statement Department of Health on May 18: "There is no alternative app."

The government had "worked closely with Apple and Google". Apple said: "It is difficult to understand what these claims are as they haven't spoken to us."

"We discovered a technical barrier" that every other country with track and trace apps has found, says Health Secretary Matt Hancock. "Our app won't work because Apple won't change their system". Germany's app using the Apple platform is up & running with 10 million downloads in 3 days.

They just cannot help lying, it is in their nature and I am afraid they are in so deep with the debacle of the UK's handling of this crisis, we will see more of this crap.

Here's another example:

UK campaigners seek judicial review of £108m PPE contract award



It's legit, honest!

Absolutely. Lots of Tory supporters that I know say that the current lot don't represent them at all.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by Pierre

Corona virus is over now anyway.......isn’t it?

'Fraid not...

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

'Fraid not...

I've washed my hands of it

[Carth]

Hush . . . I've told the wife she still needs to wear a full face mask until after Christmas

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by jfman

How many deaths Nomadking? How many before you accept it could have gone better?

Yes you research I commend you for that. Research obfuscation.

Would you prefer we found people with the virus or let them loose to cause havoc in economic and health terms?

Well I would expect better from you, jfman. You know very well that each country records deaths differently. If we only included Covid deaths in hospitals, excluding in care homes and in the community, as Spain does, the number of deaths in the UK would go down to as few as 25,000, given that only 62% of deaths are in hospital.

Where does that put us in the league table? You have to compare like with like, as I am sure you do as an economist in your field of work.

Originally Posted by Taf

How can it work if it doesn't know who you are or where you are or were?

It know where your phone has been and what other phones it’s been near.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

But the Liberal and the Labour Parties were not in power in 1963 or 2020 so why should I mention them?

We can see what you are up to, Andrew. You are fooling no-one. Why even mention the Conservatives when the reasons for that crisis was not due to tneir management of the economy?

Can you really see Labour or the Liberals handling it better? Of course not. Look at the position we were in when Labour left office in 1979 and in 2010. All down to economic mismanagement and overspending.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

We can see what you are up to, Andrew. You are fooling no-one. Why even mention the Conservatives when the reasons for that crisis was not due to tneir management of the economy?

Can you really see Labour or the Liberals handling it better? Of course not. Look at the position we were in when Labour left office in 1979 and in 2010. All down to economic mismanagement and overspending.

All based on your simplistic understanding of economics. Conservative governments regularly run deficits and add to the debt bundle, despite privatisating anything of value along the way.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by jfman

All based on your simplistic understanding of economics. Conservative governments regularly run deficits and add to the debt bundle, despite privatisating anything of value along the way.

Wasn't it you who said that deficits were nothing to worry about?

I'm sure it was you.

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by Hugh

It know where your phone has been and what other phones it’s been near.

But that only works for the Bluetooth based apps, which people are saying can't work.

Originally Posted by nomadking

But that only works for the Bluetooth based apps, which people are saying can't work.

No, they’re not - they don’t work perfectly, but they work quite well.

The centralised Apps worked on Bluetooth as well.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Wasn't it you who said that deficits were nothing to worry about?

I'm sure it was you.

You are the one equating Conservatives = good for the economy, anyone else = bad on that basis.

And I’m sure I suitably qualified any such remarks and taken in context would stand up. Deficits despite selling off every state asset of value going along the way would be a bad economic indicator. It depends what you are spending the money on, interest rates and other factors.

Propping up the economy during a lockdown, for example, would be an appropriate example of short term spending exceeding tax receipts.

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by Hugh

No, they’re not - they don’t work perfectly, but they work quite well.

The centralised Apps worked on Bluetooth as well.

The widely touted next step in tackling the coronavirus' spread is a series of phone apps, known as contact-tracing apps, that are being developed by many governments around the world. But France, which is hoping to release its app in May, says there's one big obstacle standing in its way: Apple. More specifically, the tech giant's Bluetooth and privacy policies.
French government ministers have been in talks with Apple over Bluetooth restrictions, but aren't making progress, Digital Minister Cedric O told Bloomberg in an interview published this week. "We're asking Apple to lift the technical hurdle to allow us to develop a sovereign European health solution that will be tied our health system," he said.
The hurdle in question is that Apple doesn't allow apps to constantly use Bluetooth running in the background if data from that app is going to be removed from the device.

The inherent limitations of Bluetooth will make Apple and Google’s contact-tracing apps woefully imprecise, but right now it might be the best solution we’ve got

The U.K. will use Apple and Google’s jointly developed technology for its coronavirus contact-tracing app because Apple won’t change its system to allow the government’s app to work effectively on iPhones.
“As it stands, our app won’t work, because Apple won’t change the system,” the U.K.’s health secretary, Matt Hancock, said Thursday.
Apple only allows the app to use Bluetooth when the app is open and in use, but in order for the app to be able to track who has passed close to a potentially infected user it needs Bluetooth to remain active even when the app is closed.

Apple doesn't allow applications to have the constant broadcasting ability with Bluetooth. That is the limitation. We don't know what else the Government is moaning about because they've not been clear but given how idiotic they've been over this app I am not especially interested in what they're saying now.

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by Damien

Apple doesn't allow applications to have the constant broadcasting ability with Bluetooth. That is the limitation. We don't know what else the Government is moaning about because they've not been clear but given how idiotic they've been over this app I am not especially interested in what they're saying now.

The Bluetooth approach was the BEST one, which is why so many OTHER countries want to use it. Were they in the wrong?