18-06-2020, 15:03
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Re: Coronavirus
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18-06-2020, 15:03
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#4067
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laeva recumbens anguis
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by Damien
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18-06-2020, 15:06
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#4068
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Re: Coronavirus
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So much for that world class contact tracing app.
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18-06-2020, 15:06
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Remoaner
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Re: Coronavirus
Let's see what the Government states as the reason.
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18-06-2020, 15:10
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laeva recumbens anguis
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by Damien
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Bad reporting
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One advantage of the switch is that the NHS Covid-19 app will be able overcome a limitation of iPhones and carry out Bluetooth "handshakes" when the software is running in the background.
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It’s not a "limitation", it’s designed as a security feature, enhancing privacy.
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18-06-2020, 16:25
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by denphone
So why did they not heed the advice that they were given in the first place as they must have been the only ones who though their own contact tracing app would be a success.
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It looks like British exceptionalism to me, Den.
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For time wasted, read lives lost
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18-06-2020, 17:44
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Remoaner
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Re: Coronavirus
They need to asked some serious questions here. This was not an unforeseen problem. This level of incompetence is absurd given the situation.
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18-06-2020, 17:50
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Re: Coronavirus
I would say they are trying their best but actually I'm sceptical about that...
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18-06-2020, 18:18
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by jfman
I would say they are trying their best but actually I'm sceptical about that...
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No - they have failed on basic statement of requirements and assessment of device capability against those requirements.
Plus Boris, in gobshite mode, hailed the App as "world beating". I like his policies; I like his determination; I don't like his variation on honesty nor his hyperbole. What a shame.
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18-06-2020, 18:55
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth
No - they have failed on basic statement of requirements and assessment of device capability against those requirements.
Plus Boris, in gobshite mode, hailed the App as "world beating". I like his policies; I like his determination; I don't like his variation on honesty nor his hyperbole. What a shame.
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According to Wired magazine, development of the app is being handled by NHSX, who are working with VMware Pivotal Labs, developers from Zuhlke, the NHS Business Services Authority and the National Cyber Security Centre (NCSC).
I’m stunned the Project Team haven’t escalated the delays/risks/issues to the Programme Board before now.
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18-06-2020, 19:12
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1
It looks like British exceptionalism to me, Den.
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"British exceptionalism"?  When so many OTHER countries used or tried to use, the SAME approach, eg Germany, France, Norway, Australia, India, Singapore. The much lauded South Korean one goes even further.
From 22nd April
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Among the coronavirus contact-tracing apps for which the data model is known, 70 per cent operate on a centralised system globally. This means that the location or proximity tracing data processed by the app is funnelled into a centrally run database (most likely controlled by the government or local health service) rather than being stored locally on the user’s phone.
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Interestingly, the data also reveals that 64 per cent of apps have opted to track citizens using GPS data, with the remaining 36 per cent choosing Bluetooth. This is in spite of the fact that Bluetooth is widely recognised to be much more accurate.
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18-06-2020, 19:29
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by nomadking
"British exceptionalism"? When so many OTHER countries used or tried to use, the SAME approach, eg Germany, France, Norway, Australia, India, Singapore. The much lauded South Korean one goes even further.
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The South Korean one works though, before winter.
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18-06-2020, 19:38
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Re: Coronavirus
Corona virus is over now anyway.......isn’t it?
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18-06-2020, 19:40
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by Pierre
Corona virus is over now anyway.......isn’t it?
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Yep over everything you touch if you listen to the hype 
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18-06-2020, 19:41
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by jfman
The South Korean one works though, before winter.
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Define "works". Is there that much evidence that it does? They use all sorts of info, that the whiners say shouldn't be used.
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This includes enforcing a law that grants the government wide authority to access data: CCTV footage, GPS tracking data from phones and cars, credit card transactions, immigration entry information, and other personal details of people confirmed to have an infectious disease. The authorities can then make some of this public, so anyone who may have been exposed can get themselves - or their friends and family members - tested.
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How much use is an app that simply says that somebody with the virus was in the same building as you? Their main reliance was on questioning the people concerned.
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