Black Lives Matter

[BenMcr]

Originally Posted by Pierre

is the problem to do with Socio-economic prospects of Black kids, the lack of stable father figures, gang culture and black on black violence........................or 200 year old statues?

I know what I would be focusing my attention on.

You know people can focus on more than one thing at a time. It's not an either / or thing.

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Originally Posted by Hugh

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/b...0ce9e1d79e0c36

This link from today’s Times

And this from the Guardian:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...le-in-lockdown

Police enforcing the coronavirus lockdown in England and Wales were almost up to seven times more likely to issue fines to black, Asian and minority ethnic people than white people, figures show.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Maggy

So anyone got any definite suggestions on how we address the issue of racism here and now..apart from removing statues because I think we need to do far more to address the issue.

We need to start by educating ourselves. This list is a starter, it's not one I've created. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1...OBBeHvJGw/edit

Originally Posted by BenMcr

Police enforcing the coronavirus lockdown in England and Wales were almost up to seven times more likely to issue fines to black, Asian and minority ethnic people than white people, figures show.

Such figures are meaningless without other facts to give the whole picture.

For all we know they may be 10 times more likely to break the lockdown ..

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by BenMcr

You know people can focus on more than one thing at a time. It's not an either / or thing.[COLOR="Silver"]

You know, people need to think about what's important.

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by BenMcr

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...le-in-lockdown

Don't you just love it when Guardian readers show how stupid they really are and how the Guardian words their report to suit the agenda.

Jon Sherlock, a chief inspector with the Cumbria Constabulary, said most fixed penalty notices were issued to BAME people who were visiting Cumbria: “Of the Cumbrian residents issued penalty notices, five were of a BAME background. In relation to those who reside outside of Cumbria, 22 people of a BAME background were issued a fixed penalty notice.

“Overall just over 8% of fixed penalty notices issued were to individuals of a BAME background.”

92% of fixed penalty notices were issued to non-BAME ethnicity.

Yet @BenMcr you expect to use the article to prove

Police enforcing the coronavirus lockdown in England and Wales were almost up to seven times more likely to issue fines to black, Asian and minority ethnic people than white people, figures show.

Originally Posted by pip08456

Don't you just love it when Guardian readers show how stupid they really are and how the Guardian words their report to suit the agenda.



92% of fixed penalty notices were issued to non-BAME ethnicity.

Yet @BenMcr you expect to use the article to prove

8% of fixed penalty notices - Cumbria has around 1.6% BAME.

https://www.cumbriaobservatory.org.uk/population/

And that’s just one area - the survey was the whole country.

Lies, Damned Lies, and Statistics, it never gets old.
As a friend of mine once noted, you can "prove" almost anything with [the right] statistics.

[Pierre]

http://news.sky.com/story/aunt-jemim...nding-12008821

Not a brand I am familiar with, but I bet Uncle Ben’s crapping himself. They’ll be after Levi Roots next...............

[Carth]

Originally Posted by Paul

Lies, Damned Lies, and Statistics, it never gets old.
As a friend of mine once noted, you can "prove" almost anything with [the right] statistics.

Data stays the same, it's how you present it that makes it work for you and the agenda you're pushing

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by Hugh

8% of fixed penalty notices - Cumbria has around 1.6% BAME.

https://www.cumbriaobservatory.org.uk/population/

And that’s just one area - the survey was the whole country.

In which you conveniently ignore the majority of the 8% were not Cumbria residents.

I'll repeat the quote to allow it to penetrate.

Jon Sherlock, a chief inspector with the Cumbria Constabulary, said most fixed penalty notices were issued to BAME people who were visiting Cumbria: “Of the Cumbrian residents issued penalty notices, five were of a BAME background. In relation to those who reside outside of Cumbria, 22 people of a BAME background were issued a fixed penalty notice.

“Overall just over 8% of fixed penalty notices issued were to individuals of a BAME background.”

And how did they know this before they issued the ticket?

And you're ignoring the rest of the country...

Solutions? Anyone got any?

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Maggy

Solutions? Anyone got any?

I posted a wealth of links earlier - we all need to educate ourselves.

[peanut]

Whatever the answers are you're not going to please or satisfy everyone. Just lately I've seen more racism from black against whites but right now we (white) can't say anything. I don't quite understand what BLM UK's goals are but it seems to be having more of a negative effect and creating a bigger divide. But these are just my opinions or views and they will get pulled to bits because no one can agree on anything regardless.

Originally Posted by peanut

Whatever the answers are you're not going to please or satisfy everyone. Just lately I've seen more racism from black against whites but right now we (white) can't say anything. I don't quite understand what BLM UK's goals are but it seems to be having more of a negative effect and creating a bigger divide. But these are just my opinions or views and they will get pulled to bits because no one can agree on anything regardless.

Solutions? Some practical ways to ensure equality for all disenfranchised groups? Apart from a government actually insisting that everyone gets the same treatment whatever the situation,might be a start.