Black Lives Matter

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Quote from The Urban Dictionary:

Being "Woke" is what happens when instead of taking one blue pill, you down the entire bottle.

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A woke person == Grauniad reader.

Woke people and the lycra brigade are on my shit list, obviously.

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

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By your logic, we should should be all over Germany for what happened 80 years ago.

Not sure Germany is the best example since they very much do put what happened 80 years ago into their history.

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Originally Posted by Damien

Not sure Germany is the best example since they very much do put what happened 80 years ago into their history.

Our history is an open book too.

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From what I've read so far here, and in other places it just proves just how petty people are willing to go. There's no winners, only losers. It really is sad.

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The statue fights back

Horror as Black Lives Matter protester hit by toppled statue 'leaving skull showing'

a Black Lives Matter representative tells a Wavy.com reporter live at the scene.
there was a gentleman who was directly in front of the statue and when the statue finally did give way it came and fully hit him in the head.

“You could see his skull was actually showing, he was convulsing on the ground.

https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/wor...ester-22173777

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Originally Posted by papa smurf

The statue fights back

Horror as Black Lives Matter protester hit by toppled statue 'leaving skull showing'

a Black Lives Matter representative tells a Wavy.com reporter live at the scene.
there was a gentleman who was directly in front of the statue and when the statue finally did give way it came and fully hit him in the head.

“You could see his skull was actually showing, he was convulsing on the ground.

https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/wor...ester-22173777

Instant Karma in action.

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Schadenfreude:

The experience of pleasure, joy, or self-satisfaction that comes from learning of or witnessing the troubles, failures, or humiliation of another.

Serves him damn well right.

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Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

Partially correct, BLM is not just about police brutality but also systemic racism in society. There's equal call in the US for removal of statues, Nascar has banned the use of the confederate flag The military were also open to discussing renaming some of their forts until Trump stopped in and blocked it.

Calling people pathetic for exercising their democratic right to protest (that vast majority of it has been peaceful) seems a little off

I don't think many want to change history, but they want a greater degree of acceptance and or knowledge with regards to who suffered.

Let's use the removal of the statue in Bristol as an example. It's removal does not change the historic events, but it does stop the modern day 'celebration' of the man who perpetrated them.

Vandalism of our statues is not democratic protest. It is criminal damage, and yes, pathetic. As you say, the vast majority of protesters were peaceful, and you know very well I was not referring to them.

If these people who wanted those statues removed in this way were serious about getting 'acceptance and knowledge with regards to who suffered', it's a strange way to go about it, because now the evidence is no longer there, having been removed. The campaign should have rested on having a plaque or inscription that also referred to those matters. That would educate those who did not know.

As for putting the statue in the museum in its sorry state, grafitti covered to boot, that can only have been a decision made by Labour politicians. They should be truly ashamed.

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Originally Posted by Rexz

You really think explaining to someone how we became who we are from the slave trade will receive admiration or settle the race issue? This will never be a dropped issue, regardless of how many statues you pull down/deface or history you try to 'explain'.

The whole BLM movement in itself was inherently racist. To fight inequality it should benefit all races. Empowering one race does not bring about equality, it drives a huge wedge right through the middle. I've seen the argument "but today we are talking about black lives..."... the last time I looked, there was more than just black people in this world who are still currently oppressed or persecuted because of their race, religion or culture.

I can already see signs of racism being acceptable if its against white people.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/...ng-up-22167457

"The difference there is these white characters are an empowered group, so it's actually OK to make a comment on them."

Hold on - this all erupted from black people being brutilised and killed on the streets of the US! It's the police of the US who are racist, and they get away with killing black people every day. They are looking for equality with white people and justice. What's wrong with that?

I suppose you also take the view that the suffragettes should have been campaigning for men to get the vote, even though they already had it. That's how ridiculous the argument you have presented is.

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This thread is totally ridiculous now.

It's a merri-go-round of of people chasing repeated arguments.

The woke members on this thread can now count me as one down. I'm unsubscribing.

I encourage like minded to do the same so that the woke can chew over detail by themselves.

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Then, when people see the rioting and what they think they can get away with, this sort of thing happens.

And unbelievably it’s not even the top news item, if it was the other way around...............

https://news.sky.com/video/police-of...ondon-12004888

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Oh dear. An apologist for what's going on.

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Chucking it in the estuary is eradicating history - or at least an attempt.

Nice...

But as The Dude says

Originally Posted by Pierre

Then, when people see the rioting and what they think they can get away with, this sort of thing happens.

And unbelievably it’s not even the top news item, if it was the other way around...............

https://news.sky.com/video/police-of...ondon-12004888

I saw that and it is awful. Sadly though I think it's less a case of this happening because of the protests but something that happens frequently, attacks on the police have been increasing for years now.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Damien

I saw that and it is awful. Sadly though I think it's less a case of this happening because of the protests but something that happens frequently, attacks on the police have been increasing for years now.

Regardless of whether it’s directly connected or not you acknowledge the irony?


And immediately gives people a “whataboutary” story to point at and undermine any BLM argument.

At least The media are trying bury it, right down the list on Sky and not even on the BBC app.

Originally Posted by Pierre

Regardless of whether it’s directly connected or not you acknowledge the irony?


And immediately gives people a “whataboutary” story to point at and undermine any BLM argument.

At least The media are trying bury it, right down the list on Sky and not even on the BBC app.

I think it does highlight that policing here is different to the states which is something relevant to the moment. I don't think the same issues that inspired the BLM protests in America are the ones we have here, I think there are different ones.

I don't think the media is trying to bury it, it's just an issue that never gets the coverage it deserves. This is from last year showing it's increasing: https://fullfact.org/crime/assaults-on-police-officers/