Dominic Cummings visited parents during lockdown measures

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Mick

Yes it is a shame really people like you, have got this wrong, when no rules were broken. The safeguarding of the child came first and was the necessity. The second trip being suggested is conjecture no doubt by activists. "I saw a man that looked like Cummings."

Means Jack shit. Pathetic.

I'm not convinced no rules were broken. It's a police matter and I'm happy to leave it up to them.

You do realise the police investigate witness statements all the time - it's a staple of any criminal investigation and then they go on to corroborate the whereabouts of the person who 'may have been seen'. I don't know why you find it so objectionable - I get that you feel you have to defend him at at all costs but is he always above criticism?

It's unhealthy to beatify politicians and their advisers in such a manner.

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Originally Posted by papa smurf

He hasn't gone anywhere the talent is still in da house.

For now. There comes a point where that's untenable if the story goes on for much longer. 20 MPs are just those above the parapet.

Also at least one of those trips outside of Durham is not being denied....

Originally Posted by Damien

Also at least one of those trips outside of Durham is not being denied....

That one was outside of his 14 day quarantine. So what is this now?

He's not allowed to walk, do exercise like 70 Million other people in the UK were allowed to do?

This is a witch hunt pure and simple because it all boils down to who he is, the architect of Brexit.

[denphone]

No 10 confirm Dominic Cummings will make a statement this afternoon and take questions later.

https://twitter.com/joepike/status/1264884107558993922

Originally Posted by Mr K

It's now 20 Tory MPs. At this rate it'll be a full house by tea time.

I do not give a shit if was 100 Tory MPs.

Cummings did nothing wrong and noone in this topic has raised a valid legal argument as to why they think he did, when he had a child to safeguard which overrides everything else!

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Mick

I do not give a shit if was 100 Tory MPs.

Cummings did nothing wrong and noone in this topic has raised a valid legal argument as to why they think he did, when he had a child to safeguard which overrides everything else!

It actually doesn't, and that's a dubious interpretation of extreme circumstances when they told other families to self isolate at their primary residence for 14 days.

Unfortunately there are views being clouded by Brexit here but it's not mine or those on the Daily Mail comments page. For us it's about trust.

Edit: the bold Dom making a statement and taking questions later today. This will be one for the popcorn. Will he apologise?

Originally Posted by jfman

It actually doesn't, and that's a dubious interpretation of extreme circumstances when they told other families to self isolate at their primary residence for 14 days.

Unfortunately there are views being clouded by Brexit here but it's not mine or those on the Daily Mail comments page. For us it's about trust.

It actually does!

Nothing you say alters the facts, he broke no rules or laws-period, he had a very valid excuse and that was safeguarding of a child. That came first!

The bullshit rest about being seen here and there, is utter bollocks and I do not believe it, nor do I think the hounding of a man outside his home, with stupid ********* with a pickup with large tv screen puts those trying to bully and persecute a man, in any good moral high ground, just because of who he is.

[jfman]

So you don't think the police should investigate legitimate concerns of a member of the public because it might incriminate Dominic Cummings?

I'm not inclined to defend journalists or anyone parking annLCD screen outside his house for entertainment value. Maybe he should complain and see if the police want to investigate public order offences. I'd welcome that.

Originally Posted by jfman

So you don't think the police should investigate legitimate concerns of a member of the public because it might incriminate Dominic Cummings?

I'm not inclined to defend journalists or anyone parking annLCD screen outside his house for entertainment value. Maybe he should complain and see if the police want to investigate public order offences. I'd welcome that.

I have zero problem with an investigation so long as all the journalists outside his house get investigated, for breaching social distancing measures, all the other people who went to the beach last weekend and didn't social distance, all the other people ignoring social distancing measures with 20+ people barbecues, there was several houses in a road near to me having a house party the week before last.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by denphone

No 10 confirm Dominic Cummings will make a statement this afternoon and take questions later.

https://twitter.com/joepike/status/1264884107558993922

That's unusual for someone who is not an MP member of the cabinet or even member of the conservative party.

[denphone]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

That's unusual for someone who is not an MP member of the cabinet or even member of the conservative party.

Its very unusual l would say.

Actually there is this document regarding Special Advisors and their code of conduct.

https://assets.publishing.service.go...l_Advisers.pdf

Point 14 states:

Special advisers must not take public part in political controversy, through any form of statement whether in speeches or letters to the press, or in books, social media, articles or leaflets.

They must observe discretion and express comment with moderation, avoiding personal attacks, and would not normally speak in public for their Minister or the Department.

[GrimUpNorth]

I wonder how many of the thousands of people fined for breaking lockdown rules will be seeking advice to see if this now means they can challenge their fixed penalty notice? Has 'doing what I thought is best' now become a legitimate defence? I remember when my old dad (God rest his sole) got a speeding ticket from a camera on the A1 because he thought it was best that he broke the speed limit a bit to get to the next services before he pissed himself

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by Mick

Cummings did nothing wrong and noone in this topic has raised a valid legal argument as to why they think he did, when he had a child to safeguard which overrides everything else!

He broke the rules. Sorry, he broke his rules. These are here for reference (published 12 March 2020).

He and you have a strange definition of "safeguarding": putting your child in a metal box for 4 hours with someone who has a deadly disease, for most people, does not make the grade.

The other bizarre thing here is that Cummings has the resources of the Government at his disposal. He could have asked for childcare to be arranged and it would have been done instantly. In fact, the mother of the child in question has a sister living 2 streets away apparently.

You are seemingly so angry not because he is innocent but, exactly as you reveal, he is the High Priest of Brexit ..

I've heard a rumour which I shall not repeat about personal circumstances that might make people more sympathetic although it would still raise the same questions.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Mick

I do not give a shit if was 100 Tory MPs.

Cummings did nothing wrong and noone in this topic has raised a valid legal argument as to why they think he did, when he had a child to safeguard which overrides everything else!

What! Are you kidding? Back on 12th April, you were not permitted to take 60-mile round trips for sightseeing or exercise.
And putting a child in a car with two infected adults at the end of March for five hours? Seriously? That's not in the child's interests. And, as a QC and the media have pointed out, that particular trip broke the rules and law.
I'm really hoping that Cummings is honourable enough to do the decent thing today or pulls a great explanation out of the bag. The latter is my preference.