Dominic Cummings visited parents during lockdown measures

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Mythica

Sigh. Let's get back to basics.

What was the problem with what I said?

I think it was this wasn’t it

Originally Posted by Mythica

Self isolating doesn't mean not having contact with any other household, it means not having contact with anyone.

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Originally Posted by Damien

If there was an exception that you can relocate to ensure you live near a support network then I don't think that's a rule that has been communicated clearly either.

There has been lots of stuff that hasn’t been communicated clearly, but we are in muddy waters here.

There is nothing black and white in this situation, all guidance issued is with caveats and exceptions for all kinds of reasons.

This the reason the current media feeding frenzy is abhorrent.

[Mythica]

Originally Posted by Pierre

I think it was this wasn’t it

Ok so let me break it down for you.

I stated -

"Self isolating doesn't mean not having contact with any other household, it means not having contact with anyone. Surely the best bet would be isolating as much as possible from the wife in the same house and hoping that the virus didn't hit him bad, not travelling 250 miles and potentially spreading it in a garage and to the other household. With the position he holds, I'm sure some emergency care could have been arranged if he did get the virus bad."

In reply to -

"They were still self-isolating, in that they didn't have contact with any other household. That is the underlying criteria."

You stated -

"That’s just plain wrong. We’ve been at this over two months now."

You stated the above but didn't quote the full post which explained the context of the self isolating issue.

To help you with the above. I stated -

"Surely the best bet would be isolating as much as possible from the wife in the same house"

Which answers the quote which you missed the important bit out and just put this.

"Self isolating doesn't mean not having contact with any other household, it means not having contact with anyone."

I then stated -

"Whats wrong about it?"

You stated -

"Self isolation within a family Unit is perfectly correct."

Which is what I stated originally if you had bothered to either read or quote correctly.

I stated -

"In the context it was written it was quite clear what was written."

Which I've explained above.

You then stated -

"What was written."

I could go on but I'm sure you understand anyway. You clearly knew you were in the wrong so just started acting funny for the sake of it.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Damien

What they're actually doing is dismissing it without an outright denial of the claims since they don't know if The Guardian and The Mirror are holding anything back.

Spot on. Ministers have been caught out once already as they've tweeted in support of Cummings only to subsequently find out there were more apparent transgressions which they were not briefed on. They're not going to make the same mistake again.
I can see Guardian and Mirror journalists collecting a few press awards and doubtless the rest of the media will be looking for additional angles. The Sunday political shows wil be working overtime on it!

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth

I've already said a few posts ago that I'm no fan of Cummings.

As to the other key individuals to whom you alluded, the Scottish MO did break the rules because she had no reasonable excuse to visit her 2nd home, unlike Cummings who was protecting his child.

What's the matter with you or are yo so blinded by your resentment of Cummings?

I'm an admirer of Cummings but unlike some, I acknowledge he is a flawed genius.
Were the laws that the Conservative Party enacted not sufficiently clear for you as well as Cummings?
Let's not forget, Boris Johnson was sacked by Michael Howard in 2004 after issuing denials to newspaper stories which were undermined by later revelations.
On a lighter note: https://twitter.com/Kevin_Maguire/st...863616/photo/1

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Spot on. Ministers have been caught out once already as they've tweeted in support of Cummings only to subsequently find out there were more apparent transgressions which they were not briefed on. They're not going to make the same mistake again.

I can see Guardian and Mirror journalists collecting a few press awards and doubtless the rest of the media will be looking for additional angles. The Sunday political shows wil be working overtime on it!

And that's another problem. The press hounds are focusing on the smell of blood, ignoring the human instinct to protect children (which you avoid acknowledging) and ignoring what matters - CV, care homes, deaths etc.

Originally Posted by Pierre

Yes they probably did before lockdown, we did. ........newsflash, nurseries and child care has been shut since lockdown...................

Not for key workers*, they haven’t...

(and Cummings counts as a key worker).

*a family friend runs 10 nurseries, and she is open for children of key workers

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Mythica

Ok so let me break it down for you.

I stated -

"Self isolating doesn't mean not having contact with any other household, it means not having contact with anyone. Surely the best bet would be isolating as much as possible from the wife in the same house and hoping that the virus didn't hit him bad, not travelling 250 miles and potentially spreading it in a garage and to the other household. With the position he holds, I'm sure some emergency care could have been arranged if he did get the virus bad."

In reply to -

"They were still self-isolating, in that they didn't have contact with any other household. That is the underlying criteria."

You stated -

"That’s just plain wrong. We’ve been at this over two months now."

You stated the above but didn't quote the full post which explained the context of the self isolating issue.

To help you with the above. I stated -

"Surely the best bet would be isolating as much as possible from the wife in the same house"

Which answers the quote which you missed the important bit out and just put this.

"Self isolating doesn't mean not having contact with any other household, it means not having contact with anyone."

I then stated -

"Whats wrong about it?"

You stated -

"Self isolation within a family Unit is perfectly correct."

Which is what I stated originally if you had bothered to either read or quote correctly.

I stated -

"In the context it was written it was quite clear what was written."

Which I've explained above.

You then stated -

"What was written."

I could go on but I'm sure you understand anyway. You clearly knew you were in the wrong so just started acting funny for the sake of it.

I’m not reading all that.

God you can make a boring subject even more unbearable.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-52786206

The prime minister's chief aide Dominic Cummings is facing fresh allegations that he breached lockdown rules.

He and the government had said he acted "reasonably and legally" by driving from London to County Durham to while his wife had coronavirus symptoms.

But the Observer and Sunday Mirror are now reporting he was seen a second time in the North East, after recovering from his own Covid-19 symptoms and returning to work in London.

The latest.

[Carth]

*cough* Being the pedantic non-believer of most media outpourings that I am, I'm wondering if they had the symptoms anyway.

Were he and his wife tested, or did they just 'announce' that they had the symptoms?

Not for one minute suggesting that it was just an excuse for a family jolly to get away from the hotspot that was London . . .

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Hugh

Not for key workers*, they haven’t...

(and Cummings counts as a key worker).

No he doesn’t.

Local and national government
This only includes:

those administrative occupations essential to the effective delivery of the COVID-19 response
or delivering essential public services, such as the payment of benefits, including in government agencies and arms length bodies

Just an advisor, and not medical or scientific, I wouldn’t count him as “essential”

*a family friend runs 10 nurseries, and she is open for children of key workers

Know her do you? Intimate with the Cummings friends are you?

[Mythica]

Originally Posted by Pierre

I’m not reading all that.

God you can make a boring subject even more unbearable.

Also known as, I can't admit to being wrong so will just be ignorant and try to be funny.

Next time you want to chip in on a debate, please make sure you read and quote properly.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Mythica

Also known as, I can't admit to being wrong so will just be ignorant and try to be funny.

No, it was just boring, and I don’t have to try to be funny.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

And that's another problem. The press hounds are focusing on the smell of blood, ignoring the human instinct to protect children (which you avoid acknowledging) and ignoring what matters - CV, care homes, deaths etc.

You don't protect a child by locking them in a small confined space with two people who had the virus, for several hours. (which you avoid acknowledging)

Good Grief, what a lot of excitement of nothing ....

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

You don't protect a child by locking them in a small confined space with two people who had the virus, for several hours. (which you avoid acknowledging)

No, you don’t.

You ensure you have a network around you that are there to look after the child if you become incapacitated. You also ensure that there is a network around you that can deliver food and other essentials (as you cannot leave the house) soeven if you are ill you can still feed the child and wipe it’s backside.

And if the network to give you peace of mind is 250 miles away, so be it. I’d do it.

[Mythica]

Originally Posted by Pierre

No, it was just boring, and I don’t have to try to be funny.

It's only boring because you can't read and quote properly. If you don't want to participate in a conversation then don't start one.