Dominic Cummings visited parents during lockdown measures

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Just to clarify matters - there were no separate sections for people's household status at the time that Dominic Cummings drove to Durham. Rules is rules, especially if you helped write them!

Yes, he may well have got them added two weeks later after the press asked about his relocation to Durham.

Oh ridiculous. You're just on a witch hunt and in any case rules have to be reasonably interpreted and not rigidly just because it's Cummings.

Originally Posted by Mr K

Torygraph running with that too now. The tide has turned for young Dominic as his lies unfold...

Stop talking utter bollocks - no tide has turned, he won't resign and Boris will not sack him, not with a 80 seat majority and not when he has not done anything wrong. Keep going though in desperation, this is not like last year when the Conservatives were a minority government and folk like you, were promoting Corbyn and Lib Dems and co, look where that got you lot.

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Originally Posted by Damien

Yes, The Iraq war has bad. That isn't really relevant to this debate though.

And now The Mirror are saying he had made more than one trip. Which certainly isn't self-isolation or within the rules not to travel between homes.

Given most of the media including the Conservative ones are now carrying the second lockdown revelation his position is frankly untenable as even some Conservatives have said he has got to go now.

Originally Posted by Damien

Yes, The Iraq war has bad. That isn't really relevant to this debate though.

And now The Mirror are saying he had made more than one trip. Which certainly isn't self-isolation or within the rules not to travel between homes.

Depends on what that 2nd visit was for. If it was essential visit like the first one was, then no laws or rules broken.

Mirror talks utter shit as usual and is just trying to play political Gotcha's, this won't end well for them if they think Cummings will be going anywhere soon.

[1andrew1]

Piers Morgan makes a good point. Whilst I don't think they're all "busted flushes", many Ministers will be pretty annoyed to have been asked to Tweet support for Cummings today only to find there is more apparent dirt on him.

"Lying Cummings hasn't just guaranteed he's now toast, he's also trashed the credibility of every senior cabinet minister that rushed to support him breaking the lockdown.
They're all busted flushes now."

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Originally Posted by Mick

Depends on what that 2nd visit was for. If it was essential visit like the first one was, then no laws or rules broken.

Mirror talks utter shit as usual and is just trying to play political Gotcha's, this won't end well for them if they think Cummings will be going anywhere soon.

So its one law for the government and its advisors and one law for us normal people.

What a almighty hypocritical contradiction.

Originally Posted by Mick

Depends on what that 2nd visit was for. If it was essential visit like the first one was, then no laws or rules broken.

They'll just say it's 'essential' that he had to go back up then. How many trips does he need to make? At this point he had recovered so there was no emergency child care needed. Why couldn't he self-isolate this time?

Originally Posted by denphone

Given most of the media including the Conservative ones are now carrying the second lockdown revelation his position is frankly untenable as even some Conservatives have said he has got to go now.

Oh come off it Den - Cummings position would be or should be untenable anyway, before this non-story, according to the haters, he should have been gone a long time ago and lets see why, he is the mastermind of Brexit, the obsession on him is really pathetic.

He should not go anywhere, he did nothing wrong and broke no laws.

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Originally Posted by Mick

Depends on what that 2nd visit was for. If it was essential visit like the first one was, then no laws or rules broken.

Mirror talks utter shit as usual and is just trying to play political Gotcha's, this won't end well for them if they think Cummings will be going anywhere soon.

Just accept he's guilty, Mick. Move on, put your feet up and enjoy the evening. No further benefit in defending the indefensible.

Originally Posted by Damien

They'll just say it's 'essential' that he had to go back up then. How many trips does he need to make? At this point he had recovered so there was no emergency child care needed. Why couldn't he self-isolate this time?

Perhaps he visited to collect his child he dropped off, hence the second visit?

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Just accept he's guilty, Mick. Move on, put your feet up and enjoy the evening. No further benefit in defending the indefensible.

He's guilty of protecting his child and that is all!!!

Originally Posted by Mick

Perhaps he visited to collect his child he dropped off, hence the second visit?

Which would still be a violation of the rules because at that point the issue of critical safety has been addressed so he can self-isolate at home and the wife and child can stay in their Durham home. They don't all need to keep travelling back and forth. Remember, they said they never actually put the child in the care of his parents now so presumably his wife stayed up there.

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Durham Police are now doubling down saying they absolutely did talk to Cumming's family despite No 10 saying they didn't: https://twitter.com/CharlotteIvers/s...83378842558466

Either the police or No 10 are lying.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Mythica

Self isolating doesn't mean not having contact with any other household, it means not having contact with anyone.

That’s just plain wrong. We’ve been at this over two months now.

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Just accept he's guilty, Mick. Move on, put your feet up and enjoy the evening. No further benefit in defending the indefensible.

Just accept that your comments are politically motivated.
You wish downfall on all Leave oriented prominente.

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Originally Posted by Mick

Oh come off it Den - Cummings position would be or should be untenable anyway, before this non-story, according to the haters, he should have been gone a long time ago and lets see why, he is the mastermind of Brexit, the obsession on him is really pathetic.

He should not go anywhere, he did nothing wrong and broke no laws.

l don't care two hoots about Brexit Mick as that is totally irrelevant in the debate as its happening and that is that.

Surely you must know that the public have sacrificed a awful lot in this lockdown, many have not been able to see their very sick relatives or say goodbye to them before they died , Many grandparents have not been able to see their grandchildren either , there are a whole list of sacrifice's the public have made as they have been unwavering in their support of the national lockdown.

Even many reasoned rational people will be saying today that it is alright for Dominic Cummings to break the rules which were laid down by the PM but if its one of us common people its not alright.

Its hypocrisy of the highest order.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

And they obviously had some kind of arrangements in place for this as they both worked. 16-hour days in Dominic's case, according to his wife.
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Yes they probably did before lockdown, we did. ........newsflash, nurseries and child care has been shut since lockdown...................