Coronavirus (OLD)

[Hom3r]

My is current 1 of only 3 people in the UK reported to have been left paralysed.

She has lost feeling below the knee, she was taken in with loss of sensation which Drs where trying to understand why.

https://theconversation.com/coronavi...ymptoms-136692


https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/paralysis/

[Ramrod]

Sorry to hear that Homer

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Ramrod

To all those talking about extending the lockdown, apologies if this has been posted already: https://www.thelancet.com/journals/l...035-7/fulltext

It's came up.

Bizarrely, Seph and I joined forces and demonstrated that it, arguably, supported the lockdown. It'd only be required for a further two to six months before herd immunity was achieved.

Although neither of us believe the underlying assumptions.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by jfman

It's came up.

Bizarrely, Seph and I joined forces and demonstrated that it, arguably, supported the lockdown. It'd only be required for a further two to six months before herd immunity was achieved.

Although neither of us believe the underlying assumptions.

Bizarrely? Surely not! This isn't about Brexit - yet.

[Pierre]

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Originally Posted by nomadking

For "snogging" you can replace with various face to face activities, eg talking and possibly merely breathing.

But there is very little , if any, info out there that suggests that someone that is immune can transmit the virus that way?

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by Pierre

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But there is very little , if any, info out there that suggests that someone that is immune can transmit the virus that way?

I would have thought that anyone who has become immune can nevertheless carry the virus, touch his/her lips and snog someone else into NHS care.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

I would have thought that anyone who has become immune can nevertheless carry the virus, touch his/her lips and snog someone else into NHS care.

That is also Nomads “thinking”, but I would like to see any information if it can be transmitted like that. Obviously if someone touches a virus populated droplet and then touches someone on the face, if that all happens within the 72hr-ish window the virus can survive outside.

But if an immune person does the same and then licks his finger, how long can the virus live in his saliva? For example, as that is what is suggested.

I don’t know enough, but that would seem to impact the herd immunity, if you are immune but the virus can live in you, outside the blood stream and therefore outside the immunity response and go on to infect others?

I don’t see how that works.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by Pierre

That is also Nomads “thinking”, but I would like to see any information if it can be transmitted like that. Obviously if someone touches a virus populated droplet and then touches someone on the face, if that all happens within the 72hr-ish window the virus can survive outside.

But if an immune person does the same and then licks his finger, how long can the virus live in his saliva? For example, as that is what is suggested.

I don’t know enough, but that would seem to impact the herd immunity, if you are immune but the virus can live in you, outside the blood stream and therefore outside the immunity response and go on to infect others?

I don’t see how that works.

Well yes - what you say. Except that there will be a period of viability and thereafter, due to immunity, the virus must lose virulence and eventually die. "Hello darling". Lip kiss kiss. Maybe other person infected.

My purely layman's/common sense view. I too don't know enough.

[Taf]

The immunity response is not confined to your blood.

Viral load is estimated to be around 70,000 to 100,000 pieces of virus to cause a major attack on our bodies which can overload our immunity system.

Below that the immunity system can fight off the infection and leave us with protection. But it has yet to be discovered how long this immunity lasts.

The main avenue for infection is via the eyes and lungs where ACE-2 receptors are found.

[downquark1]

OK the transmissibility of the immune is somewhat up in the air as I understand it. There have been debates where people say that there seems to be reports that no one has ever caught it from a child.
However there is also evidence where the virus has been detected still in the systems of people who have recovered and are suppose to be immune.

A standard virus is not "being produced" by an immune person but they can still spread it by touching things. But the virus does not last very very long on surfaces so immune people would have had to come near someone producing the virus recently. But this virus keeps surprising people.

Sorry I've not been paying attention to this thread for a while so if anyone has a question I will try to address it from the information I know.

[nomadking]

A South Korean super-spreader has been linked to dozens of new cases from one night out, amid panic after the Asian nation reopened.
The total number of cases linked to three nightclubs in Itaewon in Seoul, visited by a 29-year-old patient who had tested positive for coronavirus, increased to 54 as of Sunday afternoon, according to the Korea Centers for Disease Control & Prevention.
Authorities are estimating between 6,000 to 7,000 could have been exposed to the virus from clubs between April 29 and May 6, according to Bloomberg.
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Eleven of the 54 confirmed cases are secondary infections. The infection rate is highest for those who visited King Club in Itaewon on May 2, and more than 30 per cent of the confirmed patients are asymptomatic.

That's how much damage just one person can do.

Interesting, and slightly scary, article, which reminds me of Gulf wars/Afghanistan casualties - it’s not just the deaths that happen, it’s often the long-term effects on some of those who survive.

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020...eath-covid-19#

One week after I was discharged, I became increasingly short of breath. I had to go to the hospital again, but fortunately, I could be treated on an outpatient basis. I turned out to have an organizing pneumonia-induced lung disease, caused by a so-called cytokine storm. It’s a result of your immune defense going into overdrive. Many people do not die from the tissue damage caused by the virus, but from the exaggerated response of their immune system, which doesn’t know what to do with the virus. I’m still under treatment for that, with high doses of corticosteroids that slow down the immune system. If I had had that storm along with the symptoms of the viral outbreak in my body, I wouldn’t have survived. I had atrial fibrillation, with my heart rate going up to 170 beats per minute; that also needs to be controlled with therapy, particularly to prevent blood clotting events, including stroke. This is an underestimated ability of the virus: It can probably affect all the organs in our body.

Many people think COVID-19 kills 1% of patients, and the rest get away with some flulike symptoms. But the story gets more complicated. Many people will be left with chronic kidney and heart problems. Even their neural system is disrupted. There will be hundreds of thousands of people worldwide, possibly more, who will need treatments such as renal dialysis for the rest of their lives. The more we learn about the coronavirus, the more questions arise. We are learning while we are sailing.

Another article on the same issues

https://www.vox.com/2020/5/8/2125189...fects-symptoms

[Taf]

https://www.journalofhospitalinfecti...046-3/fulltext

[Taf]

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All the posters/messages go through the Government Behavioural Science team (the "nudge" unit).

Has anyone else noticed the subliminal change the red arrows and border markings in the first message (Stay at home etc.) to green arrows and border markings in the latest (Stay alert).

Red for stop, green for go?