04-04-2020, 23:01
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Re: Sir Keir Starmer elected as new Labour leader
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I doubt that.
People will be reminded that starmer is a ******* who happily tried to defy the will of the people.
he aint no sir to me
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04-04-2020, 23:17
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Re: Sir Keir Starmer elected as new Labour leader
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I doubt that.
People will be reminded that starmer is a ******* who happily tried to defy the will of the people.
he aint no sir to me
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Much value in what you've said. An acid test as to whether or not he is double bad is inclusion of Corbyn into his shadow cabinet.
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05-04-2020, 09:36
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Re: Sir Keir Starmer elected as new Labour leader
The more things change, the more they stay the same.
Those who would never vote Labour anyway, still have their excuses for not doing so.
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05-04-2020, 10:27
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Re: Sir Keir Starmer elected as new Labour leader
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Much value in what you've said. An acid test as to whether or not he is double bad is inclusion of Corbyn into his shadow cabinet.
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Honest question - why do you keep raising this?
I haven’t seen it reported anywhere.
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05-04-2020, 10:42
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Re: Sir Keir Starmer elected as new Labour leader
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Honest question - why do you keep raising this?
I haven’t seen it reported anywhere.
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Taking it as an honest question:
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...w-cabinet-role
... and why shouldn't I raise this as often as context allows?
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05-04-2020, 10:45
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Re: Sir Keir Starmer elected as new Labour leader
Starmer could probably live without all the antisemitism questions. That said, as the Chancellor is pretty much bankrolling the economy for the foreseeable, it'd be useful to keep some socialist faces around - they're the experts in the subject matter after all.
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05-04-2020, 10:58
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Re: Sir Keir Starmer elected as new Labour leader
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Starmer could probably live without all the antisemitism questions. That said, as the Chancellor is pretty much bankrolling the economy for the foreseeable, it'd be useful to keep some socialist faces around - they're the experts in the subject matter after all.
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Ugh to your remark above.
Did you all notice? Starmer said that this isn't the time to play politics, cross-party cooperation must be the way forward.
He promptly plays politics by saying prominently that the government has made serious mistakes.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52169648
Whether or not he is right or wrong, this is political games being played rather than getting down to cooperation with the Guvmin. Not surprising - he's got to bite on something but it's a pity. He could have said "I'm not going to attack the government for their handling of matters to date - I simply want to put the Labour party at the disposal of efforts to get rid of this disease".
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05-04-2020, 11:04
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Re: Sir Keir Starmer elected as new Labour leader
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth
Ugh to your remark above.
Did you all notice? Starmer said that this isn't the time to play politics, cross-party cooperation must be the way forward.
He promptly plays politics by saying prominently that the government has made serious mistakes.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52169648
Whether or not he is right or wrong, this is political games being played rather than getting down to cooperation with the Guvmin. Not surprising - he's got to bite on something but it's a pity. He could have said "I'm not going to attack the government for their handling of matters to date - I simply want to put the Labour party at the disposal of efforts to get rid of this disease".
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The Opposition can't do anything to get rid of the disease.
What you are asking for is the opposition to simply stop and agree with everything the Government does regardless of how bad it may be. Sounds more communist than socialist now you phrase it like that.
It can hardly be 'political games' to hold the Government to account during the biggest public health crisis of our lifetimes.
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05-04-2020, 11:46
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Re: Sir Keir Starmer elected as new Labour leader
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The Opposition can't do anything to get rid of the disease.
What you are asking for is the opposition to simply stop and agree with everything the Government does regardless of how bad it may be. Sounds more communist than socialist now you phrase it like that.
It can hardly be 'political games' to hold the Government to account during the biggest public health crisis of our lifetimes.
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It's the way that you do it. Behind the scenes is a good start.
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05-04-2020, 11:46
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Re: Sir Keir Starmer elected as new Labour leader
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The Opposition can't do anything to get rid of the disease.
What you are asking for is the opposition to simply stop and agree with everything the Government does regardless of how bad it may be. Sounds more communist than socialist now you phrase it like that.
It can hardly be 'political games' to hold the Government to account during the biggest public health crisis of our lifetimes.
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Holding to account ......yes, Monday morning quarterbackey........no
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05-04-2020, 11:47
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Re: Sir Keir Starmer elected as new Labour leader
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth
Ugh to your remark above.
Did you all notice? Starmer said that this isn't the time to play politics, cross-party cooperation must be the way forward.
He promptly plays politics by saying prominently that the government has made serious mistakes.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52169648
Whether or not he is right or wrong, this is political games being played rather than getting down to cooperation with the Guvmin. Not surprising - he's got to bite on something but it's a pity. He could have said "I'm not going to attack the government for their handling of matters to date - I simply want to put the Labour party at the disposal of efforts to get rid of this disease".
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An independent opposition is part of the checks and balances every democracy needs. If Sir Keir feels the Government has made mistakes, he should be able to say so publicly.
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05-04-2020, 11:50
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Re: Sir Keir Starmer elected as new Labour leader
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Holding to account ......yes, Monday morning quarterbackey........no
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I look forward to nobody blaming Labour for the 2008 financial crisis in that case.
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05-04-2020, 11:54
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Re: Sir Keir Starmer elected as new Labour leader
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I look forward to nobody blaming Labour for the 2008 financial crisis in that case.
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Nobody blamed them for the 2008 crisis, they were blamed for spending, spending and borrowing through the relatively prosperous preceding 12years.
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05-04-2020, 12:00
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Re: Sir Keir Starmer elected as new Labour leader
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Nobody blamed them for the 2008 crisis, they were blamed for spending, spending and borrowing through the relatively prosperous preceding 12years.
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Monday morning quarterback.
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05-04-2020, 12:02
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Re: Sir Keir Starmer elected as new Labour leader
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Nobody blamed them for the 2008 crisis, they were blamed for spending, spending and borrowing through the relatively prosperous preceding 12years.
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.... and now Starmer is saying we must never have austerity again. Who's going to keep lending to us cheaply if the debt is out of control? Jeez, he's almost as bad as the last fool.
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