Coronavirus (OLD)

[ThunderPants73]

Originally Posted by Pierre

Well I’ve been in contact with several people I know that have/had it, and as has been posted the severity of the illness is on an individual basis.

But the two elements that seem consistent ( and this is based on a handful of people I know that thankfully have not needed hospital care) is severe breathing problems, so bad that it’s hard to talk, apparently quite distressing at the time, lasting typically for around 3-4 days accompanied with severe Muscle pain in the chest, arms, neck and abdomen. Apparently words cannot get across how it hits you. This is from people my age. 45-55,

But, thankfully, they have got over it.

I’m hoping not to experience it, where I am, I’m semi-rural my the family are staying put and I’m only going out for the shop when required, so I am hopeful we can dodge it.

Wow, I've been wondering if I had the virus late Jan/early Feb because I had a very atypical chest infection and according to Neil Ferguson, Notts/Derby could have been early hotspots. Non-productive cough, high temperature and now I read here about muscle pain in chest - I had that too, thought I'd strained my intercostal muscles coughing. I'd love to know if I actually had it, if I did, it was luckily very mild.

[Hom3r]

Originally Posted by spiderplant

"During the emergency period, no person may participate in a gathering in a public place of more than two people except..."

Is there a law that contradicts this?

unless you are from the same household.

The BBC is being generally quite careful in its wording now, usually stating that “x people have died *in hospital* *with* coronavirus”.

It is very likely that people have also died at home. It is very likely that some people have died *of* coronavirus, and not just with it as a factor.

None of this really matters as long as the way the statistics are compiled remains consistent. The only way we can get an accurate view of the progress of the pandemic in the UK is a consistent count of hospital deaths where coronavirus is present.

It is also worth stating - again - that coronavirus by itself kills very, very few people. The vast majority of people who contract it and then die were already so ill that they would have been likely to die in the not too distant future anyway. This is cold comfort for them and their loved ones, but for everyone else it should help keep things in perspective.

[Pierre]

I'm afraid I've already got COVID apathy.

Cases and deaths will continue to increase for at least the next month, so everyday being told they have, is no surprise and it shouldn't be.

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Originally Posted by ThunderPants73

Wow, I've been wondering if I had the virus late Jan/early Feb because I had a very atypical chest infection and according to Neil Ferguson, Notts/Derby could have been early hotspots. Non-productive cough, high temperature and now I read here about muscle pain in chest - I had that too, thought I'd strained my intercostal muscles coughing. I'd love to know if I actually had it, if I did, it was luckily very mild.

This is why we need the "have you had it" tests, sooner we have them the sooner things will go back to normal as those that can prove they've had it can go back to a normal life.

Originally Posted by spiderplant

Under what law? Not The Health Protection (Coronavirus, Restrictions) (England) Regulations 2020, as far as I can see.

The problem with the above mentioned Act is that because it was an Emergency Bill, it did not go through proper months of scrutiny that tries to address all the potential loop holes and grey areas.

We're told we can do once piece of exercise a day, the law doesn't say you cannot whilst doing that exercise, we should not sit down on a park bench to rest, drive to places to do said exercises.

[ThunderPants73]

Originally Posted by Pierre

I'm afraid I've already got COVID apathy.

Cases and deaths will continue to increase for at least the next month, so everyday being told they have, is no surprise and it shouldn't be.

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This is why we need the "have you had it" tests, sooner we have them the sooner things will go back to normal as those that can prove they've had it can go back to a normal life.

But do we know for sure that if we've had it we have immunity? At least for a while? I wouldn't want to take risks under a false sense of security.

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by Pierre

I'm afraid I've already got COVID apathy.

Cases and deaths will continue to increase for at least the next month, so everyday being told they have, is no surprise and it shouldn't be.

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This is why we need the "have you had it" tests, sooner we have them the sooner things will go back to normal as those that can prove they've had it can go back to a normal life.

That's the worry. If people get fed up and don't follow the advice any longer this could go on for a long time. Already we've seen traffic going back up.

[Carth]

Originally Posted by Mr K

That's the worry. If people get fed up and don't follow the advice any longer this could go on for a long time. Already we've seen traffic going back up.

If I'm right, I think this was part of the thinking behind not going in to lockdown too early . . people become bored/complacent, and then start to move around at the very time they shouldn't be

[Mythica]

Originally Posted by Mick

The problem with the above mentioned Act is that because it was an Emergency Bill, it did not go through proper months of scrutiny that tries to address all the potential loop holes and grey areas.

We're told we can do once piece of exercise a day, the law doesn't say you cannot whilst doing that exercise, we should not sit down on a park bench to rest, drive to places to do said exercises.

The law states -

6.—(1) During the emergency period, no person may leave the place where they are living without reasonable excuse.

6. - (2) gives a list that includes why you can be out including exercise. The list is non-exhaustive. It comes down to interpretation of what is reasonable or not. If the officer believes it is not reasonable that you have got in your car and travelled a distance to go and exercise when you could walk out your door and exercise, then the officer can use 6. - (1) and you would have to fight it in court.

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by Mythica

The law states -

6.—(1) During the emergency period, no person may leave the place where they are living without reasonable excuse.

6. - (2) gives a list that includes why you can be out including exercise. The list is non-exhaustive. It comes down to interpretation of what is reasonable or not. If the officer believes it is not reasonable that you have got in your car and travelled a distance to go and exercise when you could walk out your door and exercise, then the officer can use 6. - (1) and you would have to fight it in court.

Well according to Michael Gove going to the allotment is ok, so that's my exercise covered. That veg could come in useful.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Mr K

Well according to Michael Gove going to the allotment is ok, so that's my exercise covered. That veg could come in useful.

You could barter it for loo roll.

[djfunkdup]

I think it's quite safe to say the calm before the storm is just about to end.

Please take extra care folks this is about to kick off big time in the next 24/48 hrs .The doubling effect seams to be taking hold every 24hrs rather than every 3/4 days now.

Peace .

[jfman]

100,000 tests a day by the end of the month. Fingers crossed.

[denphone]

Originally Posted by jfman

100,000 tests a day by the end of the month. Fingers crossed.

Lets hope so.

And a £13.4bn historic NHS debt has been written off.

Originally Posted by Mythica

The law states -

6.—(1) During the emergency period, no person may leave the place where they are living without reasonable excuse.

6. - (2) gives a list that includes why you can be out including exercise. The list is non-exhaustive. It comes down to interpretation of what is reasonable or not. If the officer believes it is not reasonable that you have got in your car and travelled a distance to go and exercise when you could walk out your door and exercise, then the officer can use 6. - (1) and you would have to fight it in court.

So that’s still not a specific law that does not say you cannot go to a place and then exercise.