UK & EU Agree Post-Brexit Trade Deal

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Not agreed. Peoples' lives are being attended to. Brexit should not be ignored.

It shouldn't be ignored, but it has to be acknowledged that huge swathes of the Civil Service are moving into Covid-19 response roles leaving them less well equipped to support future relationship negotiations. In tandem with this we need to carve out what we want our agriculture and fisheries sectors to look like, and wider trade agreements with the rest of the world.

The DWP are moving staff to support Universal Credit applications and HMRC (who would apply any tariff regime) moving staff to support small businesses and the Chancellor's support for the self employed.

All the while hundreds of thousands of staff are having to work from home and their key stakeholders in the same boat affecting delivery of thousands of key projects up and down the land.

I know in the other thread I get accused of doom-mongering somewhat - but the western world as we know it has never seen a challenge on this scale since World War 2. I have no hesitation in sharing that I have genuine anxiety over what the next two months will bring.

Everyone on this forum knows I didn't support Brexit - that's no secret. Do I want it to succeed? Of course I do. Our collective wealth depends on it. Collective wealth that in turn supports tax revenues to support the NHS, education, police and all the public services on which we all rely.

[Sephiroth]

I don't see the moved civil servants having subject matter expertise in their new areas. The Guvmin can hire people with the right skills to deal with the virus.

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

I don't see the moved civil servants having subject matter expertise in their new areas. The Guvmin can hire people with the right skills to deal with the virus.

So when the Brexit delay is announced, who will you turn to? Is it curtains for Boris or will you still think he farts perfume?

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

I don't see the moved civil servants having subject matter expertise in their new areas. The Guvmin can hire people with the right skills to deal with the virus.

It’s not the virus the Civil Servants are dealing with, it’s the severe negative impact on services, systems, and day to day life and business the virus is having.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

So when the Brexit delay is announced, who will you turn to? Is it curtains for Boris or will you still think he farts perfume?

Brexit happened, if there is a delay to future trading relationship, I will wait. Isn’t that what you do if there is a delay?

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by Pierre

Brexit happened, if there is a delay to future trading relationship, I will wait. Isn’t that what you do if there is a delay?

Just to say - the quote you provided was attributable to Mr K, not me.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by Hugh

But the challenge is the time limit that has been set (which was our choice) - every other trade deal has taken years, if not decades.

We are already aligned with EU rules, so it is much easier for us than other countries.

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Originally Posted by jfman

So many negotiators employed by both sides tells me it's much more nuanced than the simplistic offering by Old Boy.

Similarly the state of our economy by then might may change the dynamics somewhat.

Yes, of course it's complicated, but there are fewer issues than for other trade deals owing to our current alignment with them. Given that, the deadline is perfectly do-able.

It is true that the state of our economy will not be as it was pre-virus, but neither will the EU's economy.

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

We are already aligned with EU rules, so it is much easier for us than other countries.

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Yes, of course it's complicated, but there are fewer issues than for other trade deals owing to our current alignment with them. Given that, the deadline is perfectly do-able.

It is true that the state of our economy will not be as it was pre-virus, but neither will the EU's economy.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...-johnson-trade

Boris Johnson will issue a direct warning on Monday that the UK will refuse close alignment of rules

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51345776

Britain will "not be aligning with EU rules" in any post-Brexit trade deal, the foreign secretary has said.

https://www.politico.eu/article/no-a...r-sajid-javid/

Britain will have no alignment with EU rules post-Brexit, the U.K. chancellor said, urging companies to “adjust” to the new reality.

“There will not be alignment, we will not be a rule-taker, we will not be in the single market and we will not be in the customs union — and we will do this by the end of the year,” Sajid Javid told the Financial Times in an interview published late Friday.

[jfman]

Sounds like there could be a lot to this, Hugh.

[Sephiroth]

Be ause we are already aligned, "equivalence" should not be a problem.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by Hugh

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...-johnson-trade

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51345776


https://www.politico.eu/article/no-a...r-sajid-javid/

Clearly, there will be no regulatory alignment, but the point I was trying to make was that their product specifications for goods exported from the UK to the EU will not be an issue for us. They already meet those specifications, and so it will not be an issue.

However, we don't want the EU dictating how we trade with other countries and nor do we want to be subject to the ECJ.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Clearly, there will be no regulatory alignment, but the point I was trying to make was that their product specifications for goods exported from the UK to the EU will not be an issue for us. They already meet those specifications, and so it will not be an issue.

However, we don't want the EU dictating how we trade with other countries and nor do we want to be subject to the ECJ.

So you expect businesses to maintain two manufacturing processes - ones that meet EU specification and one for the rest of the world? Or will we just sell the EU spec ones to the rest of the world too?

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by jfman

So you expect businesses to maintain two manufacturing processes - ones that meet EU specification and one for the rest of the world? Or will we just sell the EU spec ones to the rest of the world too?

The specifications for goods varies between countries. This is quite normal.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by jfman

So you expect businesses to maintain two manufacturing processes - ones that meet EU specification and one for the rest of the world? Or will we just sell the EU spec ones to the rest of the world too?

Much of the rest of the world seems to manage.

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Clearly, there will be no regulatory alignment, but the point I was trying to make was that their product specifications for goods exported from the UK to the EU will not be an issue for us. They already meet those specifications, and so it will not be an issue.

However, we don't want the EU dictating how we trade with other countries and nor do we want to be subject to the ECJ.

So we will be "aligned with EU rules" (your words), but not their regulations?

Thanks for clearing that up...