Coronavirus (OLD)

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by nomadking

It is behaviour of a more personal or social nature that has the impact, ie interchange of saliva. People do not have a 2m radius of fug about them like BO. Realistically, unless somebody is coughing or sneezing or exchanging saliva in some way, there is little chance of transmission if people are independently going out and not gathering. On the other hand if a shop worker is coughing(eg yesterday in Tescos), they shouldn't be there.

What about those that cough anyway e.g. asthmatic/other respiratory condition or a smoker. You shouldn't make assumptions just because someone coughs.

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by Mr K

What about those that cough anyway e.g. asthmatic/other respiratory condition or a smoker. You shouldn't make assumptions just because someone coughs.

If they're that badly effected by whatever, they should be at home under the "shielding" protocol. Still doesn't mean they can't also have the virus. Wet coughs and sneezing aren't in the list of major symptoms, so what major transmission methods does that leave?

[spiderplant]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

And the number of fatalities currently represents 0.0016% of the population. That puts the risk of you dying from this into perspective.

No, it puts the risk of you having died already into perspective. Many more who have been or will be infected have yet to die. On BBC News this morning they said 20K deaths in the UK is the minimum we can expect.

On average death occurs 14 days after onset of symptoms
https://www.worldometers.info/corona...ath-rate/#days

[jfman]

Originally Posted by spiderplant

No, it puts the risk of you having died already into perspective. Many more who have been or will be infected have yet to die. On BBC News this morning they said 20K deaths in the UK is the minimum we can expect.

On average death occurs 14 days after onset of symptoms
https://www.worldometers.info/corona...ath-rate/#days

And symptoms occur anything from 2-14 days after catching it. It's going to be a long month I suspect...

[Rexz]

I think all of you should read this article from The Spectator.
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/...ar-as-we-think

According to the article, the death rate may not be the best thing to compare countries. In the article they explain how normally anyone who dies with a respiratory infection in the UK is recorded as "bronchopneumonia, pneumonia, old age or a similar designation". If the patient dies from a respiratory infection but has an underlying condition like cancer, that is what is written on the death certificate. So flu's are not normally recorded.

I think this particular strain of flu is more deadly than others but it is still a 'flu'. I think the death figures are just frightening people. It is estimated (as no flu is recorded as the cause of death) that in 2013-2014, 11,000 people died from flu related causes yet I don't remember anything like this daily recording of deaths being used. Even using Sephiroth's previous figures shows that it is exactly like any other flu, affecting those that are older or at higher risk.
I think the lockdown was necessary to slow the rate of people needing the NHS so it can cope. Coronvirus will spread like any other flu (as can be seen in Italy even after lockdown) but the management of the influx of patients using the NHS is where everything lies not the death rate.

[jfman]

The thing is in 2013-14 I assume 11,000 people died from flu across the entire winter. With Coronavirus that many have died in Italy in just four weeks.

If we don't get to that stage, and I pray we don't, it'll be because of the success of a significant amount of Government intervention around social distancing, working from home, closing businesses and investment in healthcare. Not because Coronavirus is "just a flu".

11,000 people die of flu when we do nothing, more will likely die in CV related circumstances despite throwing the kitchen sink at it.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Rexz

I think all of you should read this article from The Spectator.
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/...ar-as-we-think

According to the article, the death rate may not be the best thing to compare countries. In the article they explain how normally anyone who dies with a respiratory infection in the UK is recorded as "bronchopneumonia, pneumonia, old age or a similar designation". If the patient dies from a respiratory infection but has an underlying condition like cancer, that is what is written on the death certificate. So flu's are not normally recorded. ......

It is “a” flu, but because it is new there is no immunity so the infection spreads really quickly.

It’s true most younger and fitter will shake it off, but it’s not true of all. Not much is known but those affected are impacted on an individual basis and seem to react differently.

[denphone]

Letters to be sent to the country’s 30 million households from the Prime Minister.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...will-get-worse

[jfman]

Originally Posted by pip08456

GTech will be making some too.

The real reason for the drop in the death rate and the sudden climb back up. Informing relatives only played a small part.

Not anymore.

https://www.worcesternews.co.uk/news...xecutive-says/

[peanut]

Originally Posted by jfman

Not anymore.

https://www.worcesternews.co.uk/news...xecutive-says/

Strange that they aren't giving out the reason to why.

Originally Posted by jfman

The thing is in 2013-14 I assume 11,000 people died from flu across the entire winter. With Coronavirus that many have died in Italy in just four weeks.

If we don't get to that stage, and I pray we don't, it'll be because of the success of a significant amount of Government intervention around social distancing, working from home, closing businesses and investment in healthcare. Not because Coronavirus is "just a flu".

11,000 people die of flu when we do nothing, more will likely die in CV related circumstances despite throwing the kitchen sink at it.

Let’s take yesterday’s 259 deaths in 24 hours. 13 people from this total, had no underlying health conditions. That’s 13 people dying unexpectedly, but what about the rest, people with COPD, can live for years, but they get this, it floors them and eventually kills them, should we treat this as an unexpected death?

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by jfman

The thing is in 2013-14 I assume 11,000 people died from flu across the entire winter. With Coronavirus that many have died in Italy in just four weeks.

If we don't get to that stage, and I pray we don't, it'll be because of the success of a significant amount of Government intervention around social distancing, working from home, closing businesses and investment in healthcare. Not because Coronavirus is "just a flu".

11,000 people die of flu when we do nothing, more will likely die in CV related circumstances despite throwing the kitchen sink at it.

The key to what you have said, and I agree, is that CV is more transmissive than ordinary flu. So we could expect a higher number, say double, which would include those who would have died anyway from ordinary flu.

The Mail has not just scraped the barrel for this article, they turned the barrel over and took the detritus from underneath...

[Carth]

and it took 4 of them to scrape enough up for the story . . . no sport to report on I guess

[Julian]

They've caught the "may have" "could be" disease from other tabloid rags like the guanriad and independent