Coronavirus (OLD)

[downquark1]

Originally Posted by vincerooney

apparently people in china who had originally contracted the illness and recovered have now got the illness again but didnt spread it the second time but still felt ill. So it doesnt look likethey become immune

Boris' plan rests on immunity and these reports being a mistake.

[RichardCoulter]

Originally Posted by denphone

Given my underlying medical conditions and being only a few years from 60 l have for the last week self isolated and given the scenario's being talked about in government l will be doing it for a long period yet.

My parents are aged 70 plus and talking to them on the phone they know that a long period of self isolation for them both is inevitable now.

Their words were to me we will cope as many had to cope with 2 world wars and their sacrifices that were made there.

Sound advice; one of those that recently died in the UK was only 59!

It's been said that those most at risk are over 50 (40 in some reports), especially those over 80, so I can't understand why those between 40/50 and 69 aren't being targeted in the same way with this advice. Maybe it's because we would stop functioning as a country altogether if this group also temporarily withdrew from life outside.

I've just seen a woman dying from it on the BBC1 news and it's rather upset me. Apparently, it's an agonising death and like drowning without water, so It's well worth taking precautions.

Around one out of every six of those who get Covid-19 becomes seriously ill and develops difficulty breathing, according to the WHO.

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Originally Posted by downquark1

Boris' plan rests on immunity and these reports being a mistake.

This was my fear earlier on. Chris had this to say:

'You can’t catch the same virus again. If it mutates rapidly, you could catch a mutated form later, but that would technically not be the same virus. So far scientists have identified many dozens of mutated variations on the original infection but they are all essentially still the same virus. To give you some idea how far a coronavirus might have to mutate in order to become sufficiently different to cause reinfection, a Dutch laboratory has had some early success with a vaccine for SARS1, which killed around 7,000 people in 2002-2003. SARS1 and the present virus are both coronaviruses; the present one is also designated SARS2. So even though this one is sufficiently different to be a distinct virus, immunity against one does appear, at this stage, to confer immunity against the other.

In any case, the government’s present strategy would still protect against the coronavirus causing covid-19.

I also don’t believe at present there is any credible evidence that this virus exhibits rapid mutation leading to so-called re-infection. There are a couple of anecdotal reports but these are being pounced on by a global news media whose entire operation has now been given over to coronavirus coverage. They’re going to repeat anything anyone says about it, without necessarily assessing its credibility or assigning its proper significance first.'

[jfman]

With our strategy seemingly out on it’s own should other countries get the situation contained we could find ourselves quarantined by the rest of the world for months, potentially years. The economic consequences would be catastrophic.

I expect us to move back to containment (belatedly) should our European neighbours have success. Army on the streets. It’ll be loads of fun.

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

.... it does say that you can still visit older people if you have no symptoms, but that you must keep six feet apart at all times.

I'd love to know how they plan to enfore that.

[RichardCoulter]

Originally Posted by Paul

I'd love to know how they plan to enfore that.

Well, they can't really enforce it can they, but it's sensible to adhere to it if you don't wish to do harm to older people.

Where they might prosecute people will be where this hasn't been complied with and someone becomes seriously ill or dies.

[denphone]

Originally Posted by jfman

With our strategy seemingly out on it’s own should other countries get the situation contained we could find ourselves quarantined by the rest of the world for months, potentially years. The economic consequences would be catastrophic.

I expect us to move back to containment (belatedly) should our European neighbours have success. Army on the streets. It’ll be loads of fun.

l see the government has changed its media strategy as the prime minister or one of his ministers will be holding daily televised press conferences to update the public on the fight against coronavirus.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51901818

Originally Posted by jfman

With our strategy seemingly out on it’s own should other countries get the situation contained we could find ourselves quarantined by the rest of the world for months, potentially years. The economic consequences would be catastrophic.

I expect us to move back to containment (belatedly) should our European neighbours have success. Army on the streets. It’ll be loads of fun.

What part of, “this virus can not be contained” do you not understand?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51768274

There are 6 cases in Nottinghamshire, out of a local population of 823,126.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Mick

What part of, “this virus can not be contained” do you not understand?

That's, of course, an opinion. Efforts in China and South Korea indicate otherwise. The rest of the world, including the United States, is at least trying.

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Originally Posted by denphone

l see the government has changed its media strategy as the prime minister or one of his ministers will be holding daily televised press conferences to update the public on the fight against coronavirus.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51901818

Little wonder. It's been fairly embarrassing to date.

That said, standing there every single day saying we aren't trying and we aren't counting won't last long. The public expects the state to protect it.

There are 53 cases in Hampshire, out of a local population of 1,376,316.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51768274

[tweetiepooh]

Called my mum yesterday (in her 80's). She is well but concerned with the elderlies group she helps with and those who would normally attend being OK.
My brother is self-isolating (with mum) as folk in his office have gone ill (can't recall if tested positive).
Wife just back from the weekly Aldi shop and couldn't get to car park (she went down just gone 8) so went to Waitrose instead. So people are still going bonkers. I prefer Waitrose as you can taste and see on the deli so choose what's nice that day.
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[nomadking]

Originally Posted by jfman

That's, of course, an opinion. Efforts in China and South Korea indicate otherwise. The rest of the world, including the United States, is at least trying.

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Little wonder. It's been fairly embarrassing to date.

That said, standing there every single day saying we aren't trying and we aren't counting won't last long. The public expects the state to protect it.

China didn't lock down their whole country. They didn't need to as it was relatively contained to certain areas and the people there would comply with Government instructions.


South Korea didn't have a complete lockdown. They relied on self-isolation and very thorough and what might be seen by some draconian, tracing of contacts.
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There are also 130 quarantine officers like Kim Jeong-hwan, who focus on minute details to track potential patients. The 28-year-old public health doctor spends his whole working days remotely checking up on people who have tested positive for COVID-19, the disease caused by the virus.
Kim, who is doing military service, is one of a small army of quarantine officers who track the movements of any potential carriers of the disease by phone, app or the signals sent by cell phones or the black boxes in automobiles. Their goal: To trace all the contacts people may have had, so they too can be tested.

Underlining their determination, quarantine officers told Reuters they located five cases after a worker in a small town caught the virus and went to work in a “coin karaoke,” a bar where a machine lets people sing a few songs for a dollar. At first, the woman, who was showing symptoms, did not tell the officers where she worked, local officials told Reuters. But they put the puzzle together after questioning her acquaintances and obtaining GPS locations on her mobile device.
“Now, quarantine officers have maximum power and authority,” said Kim Jun-geun, an official at Changnyeong County who collects information from quarantine officers.
South Korea’s government also uses location data to customize mass messages sent to cellphones, notifying every resident when and where a nearby case is confirmed.

The issue has NEVER been about WHETHER further restrictions are put in place, but WHEN.


Different countries have different approaches, and not all US states are taking the same measures.

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by Maggy

There are 53 cases in Hampshire, out of a local population of 1,376,316.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51768274

The figure could be out by an unknown factor.

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/coronavirus-testing

[tweetiepooh]

Wife just looked at changing Sainsbury delivery time but all slots for next 3 weeks are taken so this week we are OK, next week it will have to be joining the scrum in store.

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by jfman

That's, of course, an opinion. Efforts in China and South Korea indicate otherwise. The rest of the world, including the United States, is at least trying.

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If you’re healthy, you and your family, it’s a great time to go out and go to a local restaurant, likely you can get in easy. Let’s not hurt the working people in this country...go to your local pub.

Rep Nunes.