Climate Change - record World temp. rises in Feb.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by nomadking

It highlights the fact that the predictions are not exactly reliable. At one point the talk was all about acid rain. Then they discovered the predictions didn't come true(eg half of New York state's forests were going to disappear) and that most of it came from natural sources.

It's not like they've ever been wrong before:

https://www.aei.org/carpe-diem/18-sp...e-this-year-3/

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by Pierre

It's not like they've ever been wrong before:

https://www.aei.org/carpe-diem/18-sp...e-this-year-3/

Well done for finding this, Pierre. These examples show why I have been so skeptical of these wild climate predictions from people who should know better.

We fall for them every time, don't we? Everyone always listens to the 'end of the world' brigade, despite the fact that none of them have ever been right over the centuries.

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Well done for finding this, Pierre. These examples show why I have been so skeptical of these wild climate predictions from people who should know better.

We fall for them every time, don't we? Everyone always listens to the 'end of the world' brigade, despite the fact that none of them have ever been right over the centuries.

Well, in the last 50 years, computing power has progressed logarithmically, with more data being able to be stored and analysed, so the predictions now can be done quicker and more accurately.

The people at the time were working on the information they had at the time (except Erlich, who was a scaremonger and was just getting publicity for his books) - we have much more extensive datasets and computing power to forecast probabilities now.

I suppose you could be right - 97% of climate scientists are pulling a scam, and if it wasn't for those plucky little mining and energy companies fighting the good fight against Big Science, they would be getting away with wanting us, and our children, clean air and water, and cheaper renewable energy...

[Sephiroth]

The climate extremes itself every 5000 years or so. What’s the big deal if we’ve brought that forward by a couple of hundred years?

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by Hugh

Well, in the last 50 years, computing power has progressed logarithmically, with more data being able to be stored and analysed, so the predictions now can be done quicker and more accurately.

Using the same old alogorithum.

Wigley started working on climate science full-time in 1975 and created one of the first climate models (MAGICC) in 1987. It remains one of the main climate models in use today.

Link

And the quotes given were from 1970, and his model was first used in 1987...

It's a model, not an algorithm - models are made up of many algorithms, which are constantly reviewed and modified...

From the MAGICC wiki

MAGICC was originally developed by Tom Wigley (National Centre for Atmospheric Research, Boulder, US, and University of Adelaide, Australia) and Sarah Raper (Manchester Metropolitan University, UK) in the late 1980s and continuously developed since then.

[Mr K]

Watching a bit of the 20/20 cricket in Canberra. There's a danger of fire stopping play, which is a new one, the bush fire smoke is dangerously close.
Flooding here as well. Maybe when the Aussies evacuate to the UK we'll do something as we're still ignoring the issue.

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And play has been suspended. God knows how asthmatics are coping.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Mr K

Watching a bit of the 20/20 cricket in Canberra. There's a danger of fire stopping play, which is a new one, the bush fire smoke is dangerously close.
Flooding here as well. Maybe when the Aussies evacuate to the UK we'll do something as we're still ignoring the issue.

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And play has been suspended. God knows how asthmatics are coping.

This should cheer you up, yesterday i was in a line of traffic and the car in front was a nissan leaf proudly boasting zero emissions,the first electric car i have seen around here and it was a taxi.

There are Leafs all over the place around here, a few BMW i3s around too, and I normally pass at least one Tesla a week. The Tesla model 3 looks very smart.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Chris

There are Leafs all over the place around here, a few BMW i3s around too, and I normally pass at least one Tesla a week. The Tesla model 3 looks very smart.

Lots of Tesla’s around here. Electric cars make sense as a 2nd car but until they can 600miles on 1no. Charge and can re-charge quickly i’ll Stick to my Diesel.

Mrs Pierre just got a 5.0 V8 Mustang, might as well, we may be the last generation that can!

Originally Posted by Pierre

Lots of Tesla’s around here. Electric cars make sense as a 2nd car but until they can 600miles on 1no. Charge and can re-charge quickly i’ll Stick to my Diesel.

Mrs Pierre just got a 5.0 V8 Mustang, might as well, we may be the last generation that can!

Now that’s a car designed to be parked outside the Green Party conference and revved, repeatedly

I think Tesla are just about there with their range and proprietary rapid charging network but you pay quite a premium for it. As for the rest of them, a Leaf sounds practical most of the time, most of the year, but I hear horror stories about them in the dead of a Scottish winter. The range just vanishes.

I take a 250 mile road trip probably twice a year and I’d be happy enough to do it with a 40 minute charging break in the middle. I like to recharge with caffeine anyway. But occasionally - rarely, but occasionally - I go further. As things stand I could drive right down to the south coast in one day in whatever car I happened to own without any problems. Nobody is going to persuade me that in future, being able to go on a long distance road trip is a privilege to be enjoyed only those who can afford a premium car.

[Mr K]

Now the shite's hit the fan. The affluent have realised that climate change will decimate their pensions and investments.... Now it's important all of a sudden ! Being wealthy will be no protection, well there's a surprise.
https://www.independent.co.uk/enviro...-a9263861.html

Climate breakdown could render investments held by millions of people “worthless”, the outgoing governor of the Bank of England has warned.

Mark Carney suggested the financial sector had not yet woken up to the looming crisis and was “not moving fast enough” to divest from fossil fuels.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by Mr K

Now the shite's hit the fan. The affluent have realised that climate change will decimate their pensions and investments.... Now it's important all of a sudden ! Being wealthy will be no protection, well there's a surprise.
https://www.independent.co.uk/enviro...-a9263861.html

Like Mark Carney has a good record with his predictions! I don't think I shall be losing much sleep over this one.

[denphone]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Like Mark Carney has a good record with his predictions! I don't think I shall be losing much sleep over this one.

Climate Change is not a prediction , its a clear fact...

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by denphone

Climate Change is not a prediction , its a clear fact...

I must say how taken aback i am by all the science and proof you have attached to that opinion