2 Dead, 3 injured in London Bridge Terrorist incident
01-12-2019, 21:43
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Re: London Bridge armed incident
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Did you honestly, in all seriousness expect him to be linked to any other religion?
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Doesn't matter what I think, it's a totally pointless and baseless comment at the time.
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But...we were not wrong. And given the early details of these events (and especially this one) if I was a betting man I probably wouldn’t be out of pocket if we’d gone on gut instinct.
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If you were a betting man why would you even bet on such a thing? Just wait till the details are released, then talk about it. Not sure why we have to play a guessing game nor am I sure of what it actually achieves.
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02-12-2019, 03:44
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Re: London Bridge armed incident
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Doesn't matter what I think, it's a totally pointless and baseless comment at the time.
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Well...yes it does when you specifically are telling/suggesting people that they shouldn’t yet give an opinion on what has happened.
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If you were a betting man why would you even bet on such a thing? Just wait till the details are released, then talk about it. Not sure why we have to play a guessing game nor am I sure of what it actually achieves.
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Well as we’re speaking hypothetically is there really an answer to that?
You don’t get to decide when we talk about which subject. I guess we won’t talk about who we think has won the Election until the result comes out then? Football fans shouldn’t discuss who they think will win the match until the final whistle? These events have become so prevalent that we can pretty much get it right each time. If we’re wrong then by all means admit it however given the circumstances each time that doesn’t seem to happen much.
Just accept that when people speculate about these events, they’re usually (always?) right.
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02-12-2019, 09:22
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Re: 2 Dead, 3 injured in London Bridge Terrorist incident
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a9228886.html
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London Bridge victim's father condemns 'beyond disgusting' Boris Johnson for using son's death for political gain
'Don’t use my son’s death to promote your vile propaganda. Jack stood against everything you stand for'
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02-12-2019, 10:00
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Re: 2 Dead, 3 injured in London Bridge Terrorist incident
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It is very sad what happened to his son and I think Jacks dad has the nation’s sympathies. However, the issue of prisoners rehabilitation is clear a massive issue. The system is a failure and clearly doesn’t work as well as it should, as this Terrorist Murderer on Fri was released early on license. I believe this terrorist scumbag, tried to deceive Authorities by requesting in 2012, in a letter that he wanted to join a de-radicalised course.
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02-12-2019, 10:12
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Re: London Bridge armed incident
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Well...yes it does when you specifically are telling/suggesting people that they shouldn’t yet give an opinion on what has happened.
Well as we’re speaking hypothetically is there really an answer to that?
You don’t get to decide when we talk about which subject. I guess we won’t talk about who we think has won the Election until the result comes out then? Football fans shouldn’t discuss who they think will win the match until the final whistle? These events have become so prevalent that we can pretty much get it right each time. If we’re wrong then by all means admit it however given the circumstances each time that doesn’t seem to happen much.
Just accept that when people speculate about these events, they’re usually (always?) right.
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I think the point is that people should keep an open mind until at least a decent degree of evidence is available for discussion. rather than making assumptions.
The usage of such statements as 'I think we can be pretty sure which religion the malefactor adheres to. ' if/when used in wider society leads to intolerance
The misuse and *******ization of the religion is the issue, not the religion itself.
People should never accept, they should always query and question. it's one of the greatest abilities the human race has.
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It is very sad what happened to his son and I think Jacks dad has the nation’s sympathies. However, the issue of prisoners rehabilitation is clear a massive issue. The system is a failure and clearly doesn’t work as well as it should, as this Terrorist Murderer on Fri was released early on license. I believe this terrorist scumbag, tried to deceive Authorities by requesting in 2012, in a letter that he wanted to join a de-radicalised course.
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Quite, the justice system in it's current state is not fit for purpose. it neither punishes, nor rehabilitates.
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02-12-2019, 11:44
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Re: London Bridge armed incident
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Well...yes it does when you specifically are telling/suggesting people that they shouldn’t yet give an opinion on what has happened.
Well as we’re speaking hypothetically is there really an answer to that?
You don’t get to decide when we talk about which subject. I guess we won’t talk about who we think has won the Election until the result comes out then? Football fans shouldn’t discuss who they think will win the match until the final whistle? These events have become so prevalent that we can pretty much get it right each time. If we’re wrong then by all means admit it however given the circumstances each time that doesn’t seem to happen much.
Just accept that when people speculate about these events, they’re usually (always?) right.
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You can have any opinion you want, I just think it's silly to come out with what was said when the full facts weren't released. It's not long it takes weeks anyway, we knew the next morning who it was.
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02-12-2019, 11:45
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Re: London Bridge armed incident
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Quite, the justice system in it's current state is not fit for purpose. it neither punishes, nor rehabilitates.
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Exactly my thoughts.
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02-12-2019, 11:55
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Re: London Bridge armed incident
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You can have any opinion you want, I just think it's silly to come out with what was said when the full facts weren't released. It's not long it takes weeks anyway, we knew the next morning who it was.
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...but as usual, we were right.
If in these horrific attacks there was a roughly equal mix of causes and motivations you’d probably have a point, but as you well know that is not the case.
It’s like when you see the headline “grooming gang in court”, you wouldn’t expect those in the dock to be named “Jones”, “Williams”, “Smith” etc (not saying it doesn’t happen but the law of averages would strongly suggest the contrary).
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02-12-2019, 12:00
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Re: London Bridge armed incident
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...but as usual, we were right.
If in these horrific attacks there was a roughly equal mix of causes and motivations you’d probably have a point, but as you well know that is not the case.
It’s like when you see the headline “grooming gang in court”, you wouldn’t expect those in the dock to be named “Jones”, “Williams”, “Smith” etc (not saying it doesn’t happen but the law of averages would strongly suggest the contrary).
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Being right or wrong isn't really the point though.
But I wouldn't come on a forum and say, ohhh they must be a Muslim grooming gang, I'd simply wait for the evidence or facts. Simply trying to guess even if you are 90% sure seems a bit silly.
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02-12-2019, 12:01
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Re: London Bridge armed incident
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...but as usual, we were right.
If in these horrific attacks there was a roughly equal mix of causes and motivations you’d probably have a point, but as you well know that is not the case.
It’s like when you see the headline “grooming gang in court”, you wouldn’t expect those in the dock to be named “Jones”, “Williams”, “Smith” etc (not saying it doesn’t happen but the law of averages would strongly suggest the contrary).
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There's an element of truth in that, BUT in the same breath you would look very stupid if you claimed or insinuated that those in the dock had Muslim or eastern European surnames for example only for it to be revealed that they were in fact called 'Jones', 'Williams' or 'Smith' without some degree of prior knowledge.
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02-12-2019, 12:05
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Re: 2 Dead, 3 injured in London Bridge Terrorist incident
The above 2 posts mention Muslims, I however did not. Some presuming going on there? Perhaps wait for the facts....
I never refer to them as “Muslim”, only Asian.
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02-12-2019, 12:11
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Re: 2 Dead, 3 injured in London Bridge Terrorist incident
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The above 2 posts mention Muslims, I however did not. Some presuming going on there? Perhaps wait for the facts....
I never refer to them as “Muslim”, only Asian.
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I at no point said you were, and i clearly said as an example.
Aah Asian, an even further generalization, well, that's OK then
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02-12-2019, 12:14
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Re: 2 Dead, 3 injured in London Bridge Terrorist incident
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I at no point said you were, and i clearly said as an example.
Aah Asian, an even further generalization, well, that's OK then
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Yep, nothing wrong with it. If certain crimes are being carried out in the vast majority of cases by a certain demographic there is nothing wrong in pointing that out. It doesn’t apply to everyone in that demographic (and before I get the usual accusations of “racism”, my son is half Indian) of course but acknowledging that majority, again nothing wrong with it.
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02-12-2019, 12:22
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Re: 2 Dead, 3 injured in London Bridge Terrorist incident
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The above 2 posts mention Muslims, I however did not. Some presuming going on there? Perhaps wait for the facts....
I never refer to them as “Muslim”, only Asian.
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No, I just knew what you were talking about. If you're going to start playing games, I'm out.
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02-12-2019, 12:27
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Re: 2 Dead, 3 injured in London Bridge Terrorist incident
We had 3 cats, a white one, a black one and a ginger one.
All 3 cats were treated equally, and were quite happy to live together as long as the were fed, watered, and given some love and attention.
Sadly the ginger one was hit and killed by a car.
We didn't suspect the driver of being in any way racist towards the ginger one.
Stupid as it seems, some people in the world may well have found an argument to do so . .
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