Election 2019 - Week 3

[jfman]

Not like Johnson to make contradictory statements.

[denphone]

Originally Posted by Hugh

BJ July 24th - https://www.homecare.co.uk/news/arti...ce-and-for-all



Today

I thought he had a "clear plan which he had prepared"?

Is that the social care plan that for the last 20 years that has been kicked into the long grass by successive governments.

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Originally Posted by jfman

Not like Johnson to make contradictory statements.

Heres another one which is Boris Johnson's pledge for 50,000 new nurses which is not quite what it seems.

Which are 2k from abroad, 14k new undergrad students, 5k degree apprenticeships. Which leaves 19k nurses “retained” who would otherwise have left... so not “new” nurses at all.

This is the government that forced through the abolition of the bursary which is partly responsible for the nursing crisis afflicting our NHS today.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a9215811.html

Originally Posted by denphone

Is that the social care plan that for the last 20 years that has been kicked into the long grass by successive governments.

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Heres another one which is Boris Johnson's pledge for 50,000 new nurses which is not quite what it seems.



https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a9215811.html

Sorry but I’m struggling to see the problem.

The pledge the Tories have made is 50,000 *more*, not 50,000 *new*. They haven’t said “new”. They have said they believe they can retain, or re-recruit about 18,000 of that number, which is an entirely sensible aim given that in all those cases those nurses will be trained and familiar with NHS practices.

There are tried and tested HR strategies for improving staff retention that are used by employers across all sectors of our economy. I don’t understand why what is considered a desirable and efficient use of resources literally everywhere else, is suddenly duplicitous when pledged of the NHS.

But then, as I’ve observed before, people will see what they want to see.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by jfman

I never brought kids into it. I’m not a WASPI woman, so I’m not going to speak on the financial planning they had or with their partners. However if I’d worked for 40 years and made plans to retire in my late 50s or early 60s I’d be more than slightly miffed if the Government at two or three years notice I wasn’t going to get a five figure sum I’d factored into my calculations.

At that point, having made adequate plans, I’d not qualify for any benefits. While those who don’t work continue to have their lifestyles bankrolled by the state up to the new retirement age. A figure that’s an entirely notional point for them in any case.

I rather think that Labour's description of the WASPI saga as "stealing money from those women" is correct and shameful. That's no reason for allowing our economy to be trashed by those commie-symps.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

What amazes me is that there are not more posts on how the leaders performed in the Question Time Leaders’ debates. Is this because our left wing friends are embarrassed about what Corbyn has exposed to the world?

No wonder they are trying so hard to discredit Boris! He’s the only one who spoke any sense!

Here is a good analysis of how neutral the BBC aren’t, in respect of the question time debate.

The stat about how many times the leaders were interrupted by the host is telling.

Let alone the Labour plant in the audience.

https://youtu.be/0-6aIBsyaKg

[daveeb]

Originally Posted by Pierre

Here is a good analysis of how neutral the BBC aren’t, in respect of the question time debate.

The stat about how many times the leaders were interrupted by the host is telling.

Let alone the Labour plant in the audience.

https://youtu.be/0-6aIBsyaKg

But you're fine with Ryan Jacobsz the Tory activist, who slated Corbyn, who was on his 4th QT appearance.

[Pierre]

Keep shaking that tree.

https://news.sky.com/story/general-e...16328-11869522

The sad thing is, they call this revolutionary, changing the landscape of U.K. economics.......

No, what this is, is a massive mill stone around our kids necks, this is sbj Congress our kids do not only to the problems of climate change, but also will leave them so Skint they can do sod all about it.

[Dave42]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

What amazes me is that there are not more posts on how the leaders performed in the Question Time Leaders’ debates. Is this because our left wing friends are embarrassed about what Corbyn has exposed to the world?

No wonder they are trying so hard to discredit Boris! He’s the only one who spoke any sense!

see your tory rose tinted glasses are welded on forever he was a baffling wreck only jo swinson car crash was on par like I always said this country is totally screwed worse choice in uk history

[denphone]

Originally Posted by Dave42

see your tory rose tinted glasses are welded on forever he was a baffling wreck only jo swinson car crash was on par like I always said this country is totally screwed worse choice in uk history

Like anybody with rose tinted glasses on they only see what they want to see...

Even though l don't agree with her politically Nicola Sturgeon came out by far the best looking more a politician then any of the others , Johnson and Corbyn were average at best evading any any difficult questions while Swinson had a real mare.

Originally Posted by Pierre

Here is a good analysis of how neutral the BBC aren’t, in respect of the question time debate.

The stat about how many times the leaders were interrupted by the host is telling.

It isn't that telling because it depends on what the leaders were doing to be interrupted. Johnson would frequently go over the time limit for example.

The BBC gets it all the time because the country has gone mad and thinks everyone else is biased. Labour are flipping their lid because the BBC edited laughs out of Boris' answer for the news summary but that's because they were trying to show one clip from each leader saying something and if they had left the laugh in it would have been biased against Johnson.

They cannot win.

[Angua]

Meanwhile as predicted, the NHS is collapsing as more EU staff leave due to Brexit.

Originally Posted by denphone

Like anybody with rose tinted glasses on they only see what they want to see...

Even though l don't agree with her politically Nicola Sturgeon came out by far the best looking more a politician then any of the others , Johnson and Corbyn were average at best evading any any difficult questions while Swinson had a real mare.

Nobody in Sheffield really knows what Sturgeon wants; they don’t consider her especially relevant and they don’t know her record in order to challenge her. She doesn’t even sit in Westminster for the SNP. It’s hardly surprising that she wasn’t subjected to the kind of scrutiny the other three were. That being the case, it’s unsurprising that she was allowed to look assured.

You may be assured that while she may win the plurality of votes in Scotland, and due to the distribution of those votes in the Westminster voting system she will win a vast majority of the seats, she will not do nearly as well as she will then claim she has.

Also bear in mind that Westminster voting in Scotland is like Northern Ireland at the moment. It splits for the most part on the constitutional issue. The SNP is currently polling around 40%, which is shocking considering how we’re always being told that Boris and the Tories in government are driving Scotland towards independence.

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by Angua

Meanwhile as predicted, the NHS is collapsing as more EU staff leave due to Brexit.

Nobody cares until it affects them or their families I'm afraid. At some point, it will do.

Boris is promising 50,000 new nurses, and 6000 GPs where on earth does he think they are coming from ? The EU? There are already 39,000 nursing vacancies increasing all the time, as the exodus continues. GPs take 10 years to train.

It's one of his bigger lies that will be forgotten about next month. Nobody seems to care about lies either,
accepted as the norm, depressing state of affairs.

£58bn out of nowhere and uncosted in the manifesto is crazy to me. I think Labour already had a credibility problem with their spending commitments that to come out and promise such a spending proposal seems counterproductive.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by Damien

£58bn out of nowhere and uncosted in the manifesto is crazy to me. I think Labour already had a credibility problem with their spending commitments that to come out and promise such a spending proposal seems counterproductive.

It's quite deliberate. Corbyn and McDonnell are determined to bring down capitalism, so they don't care about grossly overspending. McDonnell has actually said that he is not concerned about the money for Labour's policies running out because they will just print more money.

Of course, this will be disastrous for all of us and everybody, including the poor, will wind up worse off.