Election 2019 - Week 3

[Dave42]

Originally Posted by nomadking

There was large support for Brexit long before any referendum campaign. In fact, that is why there was a referendum in the first place. Why shouldn't one side be allowed to express views? It is the EU that goes around influencing elections by throwing billions at countries.

never said there wasn't it does not stop the fact that Putin wanted Brexit and lots of Russian money went to the leave campaign

Originally Posted by Dave42

never said there wasn't it does not stop the fact that Putin wanted Brexit and lots of Russian money went to the leave campaign

And Putin wanting Brexit is by and far irrelevant in the grand scheme of things.

I want Brexit, millions of others still do and I bet Russia is not at all influencing their choice that they still want to leave the EU!

[Dave42]

Originally Posted by Mick

And Putin wanting Brexit is by and far irrelevant in the grand scheme of things.

I want Brexit, millions of others still do and I bet Russia is not at all influencing their choice that they still want to leave the EU!

I know that Mick and accept that yes I voted remain all I argued for after vote is we should leave with deal and not a no deal

and point about Putin was he get what he wants whoever gets to be next pm that's all

[GrimUpNorth]

Originally Posted by Mick

And Putin wanting Brexit is by and far irrelevant in the grand scheme of things.

I want Brexit, millions of others still do and I bet Russia is not at all influencing their choice that they still want to leave the EU!

To be fair, if the reports in the papers are even partially true then it appears the Russians put in a considerable amount of effort to push their agenda. I'm not sure they would create thousands of pro-leave Twitter accounts for the giggle of it.

Originally Posted by GrimUpNorth

To be fair, if the reports in the papers are even partially true then it appears the Russians put in a considerable amount of effort to push their agenda. I'm not sure they would create thousands of pro-leave Twitter accounts for the giggle of it.

I am not convinced that Brits needed any extra Russian help to make their decision for them.

[GrimUpNorth]

Originally Posted by Mick

I am not convinced that Brits needed any extra Russian help to make their decision for them.

Maybe you didn't need any help but I'd be surprised if the Russians were just taking a blind punt on influencing the outcome via a concerted social media campaign. The Russians have form for when it comes to pulling a fast one.

[Carth]

If we're going to talk about influencing voters, I believe the Government spent a few £million sending out leaflets to everyone explaining how bad it would be if we voted to leave the EU . .

I'd love to ask for my money back



ooooh, I've just noticed my Bronze Star . . go me

[Angua]

Originally Posted by Carth

If we're going to talk about influencing voters, I believe the Government spent a few £million sending out leaflets to everyone explaining how bad it would be if we voted to leave the EU . .

I'd love to ask for my money back



ooooh, I've just noticed my Bronze Star . . go me

Ah yes, the Government leaflet with the only mention of No Deal of the whole referendum campaign.

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by GrimUpNorth

Maybe you didn't need any help but I'd be surprised if the Russians were just taking a blind punt on influencing the outcome via a concerted social media campaign. The Russians have form for when it comes to pulling a fast one.

Let's assume for the sake of argument that is something they did. Then all it was is the same as something as anybody else could've done, Now if they they had been going around "helping" people fill out their postal voting forms(as happened with Labour in a previous election), then that would be a different matter. Eg Locally a market stall holder put up a few signs around his stall supporting Brexit. What was wrong with that? Anyway the people who are claimed to have voted for Brexit, are not the ones on social media in the first place.

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Originally Posted by Angua

Ah yes, the Government leaflet with the only mention of No Deal of the whole referendum campaign.

Eventually whether it ended up "Deal" or "No Deal", the end result is the same. "Deal" just delays the full leaving of the EU.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by Angua

Ah yes, the Government leaflet with the only mention of No Deal of the whole referendum campaign.

How many times do they need to mention it before it sinks in? Maybe that's why the political parties have taken to repeating their one liners time after time after time, driving us all bonkers.

Originally Posted by Angua

Ah yes, the Government leaflet with the only mention of No Deal of the whole referendum campaign.

This is a disingenuous thing to say, so if you’re going to use that smiley, take it back, the Government at the time, that’s David Cameron’s, didn’t have a campaign as such, but it did influence a Remain Stance.

The former PM, Cameron and Cabinet ministers each went their own way, either to the Remain Camp, or to the Leave one. David Cameron was a strong Remainer, so it was obvious, the Government was more Remainer leaning.

It was said plenty of times, before the Referendum that a vote to leave meant exactly out, Cameron used such language and crucially, it was stipulated that we’d be leaving the Single Market and Customs Union.

I know some of you hardline Remainers want to keep rehashing the same tiresome arguments over and over again about the Brexit vote, we are not doing this, so we will get back to the main aspect of this topic, which is the forthcoming General Election.

[Sephiroth]

Yesterday’s show was far better moderated by Fiona Bruce than ITV’s shambles. Each politician managed to get their points across.

Best performer was Sturgeon. Polished and logical.

Next best as a performer was Corbyn. He spouts Commie rubbish but does it well.

Second worst was Boris. Didn’t convince anyone.

Jo Swinson was useless.

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Yesterday’s show was far better moderated by Fiona Bruce than ITV’s shambles. Each politician managed to get their points across.

Best performer was Sturgeon. Polished and logical.

Next best as a performer was Corbyn. He spouts Commie rubbish but does it well.

Second worst was Boris. Didn’t convince anyone.

Jo Swinson was useless.

I still think the British format of Election Debates have it all wrong, audience members asking questions. It should be a full on debate with each leader engaging in debate with the other about each of their policies. I am no fan of Jo Swinson, leader of Lib Dems but I found it odd, not one Lib Dem asked any questions, same with Johnson, the audience seemed to be weighted in big favour for Jeremy Corbyn and this is why debates should be focused on the leaders only.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Mick

I still think the British format of Election Debates have it all wrong, audience members asking questions. It should be a full on debate with each leader engaging in debate with the other about each of their policies. I am no fan of Jo Swinson, leader of Lib Dems but I found it odd, not one Lib Dem asked any questions, same with Johnson, the audience seemed to be weighted in big favour for Jeremy Corbyn and this is why debates should be focused on the leaders only.

Fiona Bruce constantly interrupted Johnson,and glanced down at her prompt sheets to answer the pre loaded questions given in advance to the audience, corbyn had nothing in his arsenal apart from the 1970's comeback tour,the audience was full of Scots nats and lefties, swinson died on her feet i felt embarrassed for her, we nippy just spouted the same drvell she gives at every tv appearance.

[Sephiroth]

The one interruption from FB of which I approved was when she asked Boris why he thought he was being asked about his trustworthiness.

Other than that, she did a better job than Etchingham.