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[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Yes, that's the one!

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Pointless point... no comparison between the two scenarios. In the first, a group of irritating people are trying to prevent people from going about their lawful business. In the second, a guy is going about his lawful campaigning when he is accosted by an asshole.

An assault is called for in the first example but not in the second (maybe not legally, though!)

In the absence of an adequate police response, people have to do what is necesary to get things moving again.

You do have a serious issue with double standards....

Perfectly valid comparison.

Two different people were assaulted, in one instance a group of people call for prosecution. In the next instance the assault is justified because they inconvenienced people.

No, people do not have to do what is necxesary to get things moving again. What happened to the public was at best an inconvenience that’s all. No commuters were injured nor assaulted by members of XR It does not justify the perpetrators being assaulted.

For you to suggest that they deserve it just demonstrates how low some levels of society have sunk too regarding their moral compass.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

No, people do not have to do what is necxesary to get things moving again. What happened to the public was at best an inconvenience. It does not justify people being assaulted.

For you to suggest that they deserve it just demonstrates how low some levels of society have sunk too with regarding their moral compass.

Moral what?

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

Moral what?

That thing that points you in the right direction.

Originally Posted by papa smurf

Nothing speaks louder than a good ass kicking.

Originally Posted by papa smurf

If they got in the way of me going about my lawful business i would open up a can of whoop ass on them,hope that clarifies my position

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

Their actions, regardless of the disruption caused do not justify the perpetrators being assaulted including being kicked and or forcibly dragged from the top of a train. It is the polices job to handle it, not the general publics.

The police haven't been handling it and the public are sick of their antics, they are the losers, pretty much everyone was sympathetic to their cause if not actually supportive of it but they've made people's lives a misery for weeks whilst the police have done nothing but sit and watch and now that support has ebbed away, one of them got kicked in the head, big deal

[OLD BOY]

The police are damned if they do and damned if they don't.

However, this is not a beauty contest. They should just do their jobs and enforce the law before more people take it into their own hands.

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Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

Perfectly valid comparison.

Two different people were assaulted, in one instance a group of people call for prosecution. In the next instance the assault is justified because they inconvenienced people.

No, people do not have to do what is necxesary to get things moving again. What happened to the public was at best an inconvenience that’s all. No commuters were injured nor assaulted by members of XR It does not justify the perpetrators being assaulted.

For you to suggest that they deserve it just demonstrates how low some levels of society have sunk too regarding their moral compass.

It is not a valid comparison at all. Nigel was not preventing anyone from going about their business. These anarchists were, though, and caused huge disruption. Who do these people think they are? Self righteous idiots is what they are.

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

Perfectly valid comparison.

Two different people were assaulted, in one instance a group of people call for prosecution. In the next instance the assault is justified because they inconvenienced people.

No, people do not have to do what is necxesary to get things moving again. What happened to the public was at best an inconvenience that’s all. No commuters were injured nor assaulted by members of XR It does not justify the perpetrators being assaulted.

For you to suggest that they deserve it just demonstrates how low some levels of society have sunk too regarding their moral compass.

I would say an equally serious moral problem is the tendency to ascribe all righteousness to one side of a debate whilst ascribing all wicked motives to the other, as you are obviously doing here.

One man climbing on top of a tube train in the morning rush hour does a whole lot more than inconvenience a few people. He puts lives in danger by holding up one of the busiest metro services in the world when the platforms are already crowded. The platform at this and other stations becomes overcrowded, as do the streets outside, making business harder for everyone, including the emergency services who have had no opportunity to plan for an illegal, unexpected action. He traps people on trains that back up behind the one he’s sitting on causing who knows what consequences - especially if the risky measure of evacuating people down the tracks becomes necessary. Eventually he also risks the safety of those whose job it is to forcibly remove him.

The protestors were extremely irresponsible and thoroughly dim witted, disrupting the electrically operated mass transit system that London relies on to limit exhaust emissions into the city air.

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by Chris

I would say an equally serious moral problem is the tendency to ascribe all righteousness to one side of a debate whilst ascribing all wicked motives to the other, as you are obviously doing here.

One man climbing on top of a tube train in the morning rush hour does a whole lot more than inconvenience a few people. He puts lives in danger by holding up one of the busiest metro services in the world when the platforms are already crowded. The platform at this and other stations becomes overcrowded, as do the streets outside, making business harder for everyone, including the emergency services who have had no opportunity to plan for an illegal, unexpected action. He traps people on trains that back up behind the one he’s sitting on causing who knows what consequences - especially if the risky measure of evacuating people down the tracks becomes necessary. Eventually he also risks the safety of those whose job it is to forcibly remove him.

The protestors were extremely irresponsible and thoroughly dim witted, disrupting the electrically operated mass transit system that London relies on to limit exhaust emissions into the city air.

And if you look at my posts regarding when Nigel Farage was assaulted I condemned the actions of the person who assaulted him.

I’ll repeat again I’m in no way justifying the actions that XR took. However they did not deserve to be assaulted.

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY

The police are damned if they do and damned if they don't.

However, this is not a beauty contest. They should just do their jobs and enforce the law before more people take it into their own hands.

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It is not a valid comparison at all. Nigel was not preventing anyone from going about their business. These anarchists were, though, and caused huge disruption. Who do these people think they are? Self righteous idiots is what they are.

Let’s make this very simple so that you understand.


Nigel Farage was assaulted, the culprit justifiably punished
XR protestors assaulted, and you’re attempting to justify the culprits actions because people were inconvenienced.

The offence is the same regardless of circumstances that lead up to it.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

And if you look at my posts regarding when Nigel Farage was assaulted I condemned the actions of the person who assaulted him.

I’ll repeat again I’m in no way justifying the actions that XR took. However they did not deserve to be assaulted.

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Let’s make this very simple so that you understand.


Nigel Farage was assaulted, the culprit justifiably punished
XR protestors assaulted, and you’re attempting to justify the culprits actions because people were inconvenienced.

The offence is the same regardless of circumstances that lead up to it.

And what you are failing to understand is that in the court of public opinion, the XR protesters got what they deserved. The Nigel Farage incident is totally irrelevant to the argument because he was not obstructing anyone going about their normal business.

You do have a rather strange way of looking at things. Total equality without considering the circumstances.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

And what you are failing to understand is that in the court of public opinion, the XR protesters got what they deserved. The Nigel Farage incident is totally irrelevant to the argument because he was not obstructing anyone going about their normal business.

You do have a rather strange way of looking at things. Total equality without considering the circumstances.

Could be a fauxcial worker

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

And what you are failing to understand is that in the court of public opinion, the XR protesters got what they deserved. The Nigel Farage incident is totally irrelevant to the argument because he was not obstructing anyone going about their normal business.

You do have a rather strange way of looking at things. Total equality without considering the circumstances.

The court of public opinion has nothing to do (nor should it) with our legal system.

My statement is truth, yours is wishful nonsense.

Here endeth my discussion with you on this matter. Enjoy your evening

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

The court of public opinion has nothing to do (nor should it) with our legal system.

My statement is truth, yours is wishful nonsense.

Here endeth my discussion with you on this matter. Enjoy your evening

You may regard it as wishful nonsense. I think you will find that the majority of people disagree with you. I know that won't bother you, because given your belief that we should ignore the referendum result, clearly you have no regard at all for what the majority think.

Thank you for your best wishes. And a good night to you too.

EDIT: We love you really!

[Carth]

Offence is Offence no matter what the circumstances, as mrmistoffelees says.

However, some situations, for example confronting a large group of frustrated and time conscious people going about their everyday business, could be looked upon as self inflicted . . . or even suicidal

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Carth

Offence is Offence no matter what the circumstances, as mrmistoffelees says.

However, some situations, for example confronting a large group of frustrated and time conscious people going about their everyday business, could be looked upon as self inflicted . . . or even suicidal

Or deserved

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

Or deserved

Maybe the devastating effects of climate change will be deserved, particularly for those that live on the coast and are in denial....