PM Boris forms a government - Page 133

OLD BOY · 06-09-2019, 17:20

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Originally Posted by pip08456

He's never going to demand an election is he? He'll never win one!

He will, though, because he is deluded and believes he is popular!

Mr K · 06-09-2019, 17:27

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY

He will, though, because he is deluded and believes he is popular!

Given up on Bozza already ?

Day but day the public will see him for the Muppet he is.

Interesting poll here on how thing might change if you don't get your holy Brexit by 31/10.

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An ICM poll suggests that support for the Brexit party would double from 9 per cent to 18 per cent if an election takes place after Halloween.

The ICM poll suggests the Tories would beat Labour by 37 per cent against 30 per cent in an October election, while the two parties would be neck and neck on 28 per cent in a November poll.

OLD BOY · 06-09-2019, 17:33

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Originally Posted by Dave42

yep and the leavers all told us it was gonna be great but we did tell them he be a disaster you notice OB has disappeared from this thread

Jo Johnson resigns as a MP

https://news.sky.com/story/live-chan...ecide-11802523

I haven't disappeared, Dave but I confess to being exasperated with all this nonsense.

Have you considered for one moment why this is a disaster? It's because the remainers simply won't accept the referendum result. Leavers said it would be easy to get a deal with the EU, and in fact we do have a deal. It's parliament that has caused the problem, not the EU!

Theresa May also made a big mistake in putting forward the idea for a backstop. We don't need that and Boris is trying to get rid of it. He would succeed if it was not for the remainers in parliament who don't get the argument that you get what you actually want by threatening to walk away without a deal. Hopeless, the lot of them.

And you don't seem to get it either, sadly.

jfman · 06-09-2019, 17:37

We’re in this mess because David Cameron thought putting the question to the country would solve internal party divisions. Instead, all he’s done is bitterly divided the country.

Trying to blame Parliament for that is a stretch.

The backstop wouldn’t have been an issue but for TM’s reliance on the DUP.

**Hugh** · 06-09-2019, 17:58

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Originally Posted by denphone

Some polling quoted in a Financial Times story (paywall) by Jim Pickard helps to explain why Labour might be keen to delay the election until November.

Here are the source data tables from ICM.

https://www.icmunlimited.com/wp-cont...ll-Tables.xlsx

Dave42 · 06-09-2019, 18:00

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY

I haven't disappeared, Dave but I confess to being exasperated with all this nonsense.

Have you considered for one moment why this is a disaster? It's because the remainers simply won't accept the referendum result. Leavers said it would be easy to get a deal with the EU, and in fact we do have a deal. It's parliament that has caused the problem, not the EU!

Theresa May also made a big mistake in putting forward the idea for a backstop. We don't need that and Boris is trying to get rid of it. He would succeed if it was not for the remainers in parliament who don't get the argument that you get what you actually want by threatening to walk away without a deal. Hopeless, the lot of them.

And you don't seem to get it either, sadly.

if they was a election and it was a majority remain parliament again would you accept it

Pierre · 06-09-2019, 18:08

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Originally Posted by Dave42

if they was a election and it was a majority remain parliament again would you accept it

No, why should anyone respect the result of any vote now?

That horse has well and truly bolted.

There is nothing to compel any one to respect the outcome of any future democratic exercise

nomadking · 06-09-2019, 18:16

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Originally Posted by jfman

We’re in this mess because David Cameron thought putting the question to the country would solve internal party divisions. Instead, all he’s done is bitterly divided the country.

Trying to blame Parliament for that is a stretch.

The backstop wouldn’t have been an issue but for TM’s reliance on the DUP.

Lib Dem Vince Cable was in favour of a referendum.
2007.
Why shouldn't there have been a referendum? Just because there were divisions in Scotland, does that mean a referendum shouldn't have been held? The Labour party isn't exactly united on the issue.

The backstop is an issue for more than just the DUP. It is the EU insisting on it. Why shouldn't the DUP object to it?

**Chris** · 06-09-2019, 18:19

This forum has a well-established system for responding to other users’ posts, with quotes, and without breaking threading or other people’s subsequent ability to respond clearly.

PLEASE just use the forum software as designed and STOP WRITING YOUR REPLIES WITHIN OTHER PEOPLE’S QUOTES.

You know who you are.

**Hugh** · 06-09-2019, 18:23

Thought this would get more notice...

https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/...n-becomes-law/

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Boris Johnson says he would not seek Brexit delay even if it becomes law

Mr Johnson told journalists: "Alas, the Bill that is still before Parliament would make it – in theory it would mean that the Government of the UK was obliged to write a letter to Brussels asking for a pointless delay to leaving the EU.

"I don't think that's what people want. I think they were very clear about that.

"Not only would it oblige the Government to do that, but it would give the EU the power to decide how long the UK had to stay in.

"And I really cannot for the life of me think that that would be a democratic way forward.

"The big picture is look, we spent a long time trying to fudge this thing, and the British public really want us to get out, and they don't want more dither and delay."

Mr Johnson was then asked directly whether he would seek that extension if it is passed into law.

He replied: "I will not. I don't want to delay."

jfman · 06-09-2019, 18:24

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Originally Posted by nomadking

Lib Dem Vince Cable was in favour of a referendum.
2007.
Why shouldn't there have been a referendum? Just because there were divisions in Scotland, does that mean a referendum shouldn't have been held? The Labour party isn't exactly united on the issue.

The backstop is an issue for more than just the DUP. It is the EU insisting on it. Why shouldn't the DUP object to it?

Whether Vince wanted a referendum or not is irrelevant to the fact one happened.

It’s only an issue for the DUP and those who want no deal anyway. If it wasn’t the backstop they’d find something else.

Sephiroth · 06-09-2019, 18:26

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Originally Posted by jfman

We’re in this mess because David Cameron thought putting the question to the country would solve internal party divisions. Instead, all he’s done is bitterly divided the country.

Trying to blame Parliament for that is a stretch.

The backstop wouldn’t have been an issue but for TM’s reliance on the DUP.

Sorry, old bean! My splendid response was culled so another attempt to waste my precious time. The numbers refer to your paragraph order.

1/
Correct.

2/
Incorrect. That rabble should have respected the Referendum result.

3/
Incorrect. The backstop would always have been found out as a means for keeping us permanently tied to EU rules at their whim.

**Chris** · 06-09-2019, 18:29

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Originally Posted by Hugh

Thought this would get more notice...

https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/...n-becomes-law/

At which point we will most definitely have gone through the looking glass and on towards the second star on the right.

I still can’t shake the feeling that they’re up to something. They had the Lords all set to talk it out and then called it off. They must have seen some way they think they can argue Boris is still acting legally if he acts as he has said he would. I thought they had reached an understanding over the calling of an election, but seemingly not. So what .... ?

jfman · 06-09-2019, 18:29

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Sorry, old bean! My splendid response was culled so another attempt to waste my precious time. The numbers refer to your paragraph order.

1/
Correct.

2/
Incorrect. That rabble should have respected the Referendum result.

3/
Incorrect. The backstop would always have been found out as a means for keeping us permanently tied to EU rules at their whim.

For 3) that’s only because the UK wouldn’t allow divergence between Great Britain and the Island of Ireland at the request of the DUP.

If TM had won the 2017 election we’d have got the deal with backstop and all. Nobody would have cried except the DUP and no deal brigades.

Sephiroth · 06-09-2019, 18:37

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Originally Posted by jfman

For 3) that’s only because the UK wouldn’t allow divergence between Great Britain and the Island of Ireland at the request of the DUP.

If TM had won the 2017 election we’d have got the deal with backstop and all. Nobody would have cried except the DUP and no deal brigades.

I would have "cried" because the EU's perfidious plan was to punish the UK for its impertinence by carving NI off.