PM Boris forms a government

[Carth]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Not speculating, am quoting Government Minister Michael Gove.
https://www.itv.com/news/2019-09-02/...en-from-space/

aah, taking stuff out of context (in the link) and applying it to your agenda I see.

Well you can tell Mr Grove when you meet him that he didn't ask me what I voted for, so should stop telling others that he did

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by nomadking

They definitely didn't vote for Remain. That cannot be denied.

There isn't a deal on the table, and why should we simply be forced to accept whatever the EU decides to offer us?

Imagine a trade union dispute, where the union says to the employer "we'll accept whatever you choose to offer", and the reply comes back "what about a 20% pay cut", and the union is forced to say yes to that. Then also imagine that prior to the dispute the union said that they would never go on strike or work to rule or anything like that. That is effectively what May and the Remainers have said to the EU. That is why the EU is being obstructive. They know the Remainers are on their side.

Boris needs to come up with a solution to the Irish border and the deal's done. He has failed the country by not doing so and is suffering the consequences. The Leader of the House is literally asleep on the job and Jezza is running rings around him in PMQs.

[Carth]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Boris needs to come up with a solution to the Irish border and the deal's done.

Easy . . tell the EU that we're quite happy with an open border, but if they insist on there being a hard border they can build it, man it, and manage it

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Pierre

Indeed, it’s a joke.
I hope BoJo finds a way to circumnavigate this undemocratic and handicapping half arsed legislation.

Maybe he'll hand over the running of the country to an unelected Australian who's overly fond of a glass or two!
Wait, he's already done that!

[Carth]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Maybe he'll hand over the running of the country to an unelected Australian who's overly fond of a glass or two!

and there's me thinking the EU consisted of unelected people fond of a glass or two

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

and Jezza is running rings around him in PMQs.

Must be a different PMQs to the one I watch. What channel can I catch it on?

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Boris needs to come up with a solution to the Irish border and the deal's done. He has failed the country by not doing so and is suffering the consequences. The Leader of the House is literally asleep on the job and Jezza is running rings around him in PMQs.

What deal is to be done? Have the EU presented a potential deal? No, they haven't. It is the EU kicking up a fuss over the Irish border. Has anybody else come up with an agreeable solution, that doesn't involve being controlled by the EU? And all without having a say on anything. and no equivalent to Article 50 to get us out in the future.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Carth

Easy . . tell the EU that we're quite happy with an open border, but if they insist on there being a hard border they can build it, man it, and manage it

Seems like a solid plan!

[Julian]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Maybe he'll hand over the running of the country to an unelected Australian who's overly fond of a glass or two!
Wait, he's already done that!

Which is probably no different to handing over the running of our country to unelected non British europeans.........

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Carth

and there's me thinking the EU consisted of unelected people fond of a glass or two

Indeed, replace Australian with Luxembourgian, and that’s what Parliament have done.

https://twitter.com/dngbbc/status/11...itics-49557734

Damian Grammaticas @dngbbc 40m
Boris Johnson says an election would decide if he or Jeremy Corbyn go to “those negotiations in Brussels on Oct 17th”. Wrong. There is NO NEGOTIATION at any EU summit. A UK leader doesn't negotiate directly with EU leaders. Negotiation has to be with the EU Commission/M Barnier

Damian Grammaticas
@dngbbc

An EU source, asked if UK PM is correct, tells BBC that EU “leaders have never negotiated directly with the UK PM on Brexit… UK is not even present when the EU27 leaders discuss Brexit.”

8:17 PM · Sep 4, 2019·Twitter Web App

Damian Grammaticas @dngbbc 37m
Replying to @dngbbc
EU source adds if there’s a mid-Oct election and a UK PM then comes with new ideas “the assumption that in a few days a proposal could be made, negotiated, endorsed by the summit, and ratified by the European and UK Parliaments by end-Oct seems like a rather heroic assumption”

Damian Grammaticas @dngbbc 35m
As for any current negotiations, EU sources telling the BBC that, despite 4 hours of talks in Brussels today with Boris Johnson’s chief EU advisor David Frost, there have been NO new proposals from the UK. The EU has been waiting, and source says is “still at that stage today.”

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Hugh

https://twitter.com/dngbbc/status/11...itics-49557734

That’s really really interesting....................................... .................................................. ..

The rebel bill may not become law before Parliament is prorogued on Monday. As of right now the Lords is debating a business motion designed to allow it to fast-track approval of the bill in a similar way to its treatment in the Commons. However, Brexiteer Lords have so far tabled 102 amendments to the business motion. The way the Lords operates compels it to debate every one of the amendments and to vote on each one twice. The rule of thumb is to allow one hour per amendment. The rules also permit continuous sitting until the agenda is cleared, but that means they’re looking at more than 100 hours of continuous debate. That takes them well into Saturday evening, and at that point they haven’t even begun debating the anti no deal bill.

If the Brexiteers in the Lords have themselves well organised and they’ve got enough Red Bull, then they will stall the bill until it is forcibly killed off by prorogation.

https://order-order.com/2019/09/04/r...r-legislation/

Originally Posted by Pierre

That’s really really interesting....................................... .................................................. ..

What, the fact that it would be impossible to get agreement for a new deal in under a fortnight?

Fairly relevant, I would have thought*...

*unless, of course, it was all a sham and the intention was to run the clock down and crash out with no deal

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by nomadking

What deal is to be done? Have the EU presented a potential deal? No, they haven't. It is the EU kicking up a fuss over the Irish border. Has anybody else come up with an agreeable solution, that doesn't involve being controlled by the EU? And all without having a say on anything. and no equivalent to Article 50 to get us out in the future.

Structure's been laid out, first thing is to sign up to withdrawal agreement negotiated with Theresa May, leave EU then finalise trade deal.