PM Boris forms a government - Page 118

Hom3r · 04-09-2019, 08:17

The trouble is most MPs don't want a deal because they want to remain. So the also reject the default no deal.

They also don't want a GE as they know full well we will routed from parliament.

ianch99 · 04-09-2019, 09:20

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In my humble career, I have been involved in several negotiations, admittedly only worth millions not billions. I am not a negotiator, I am one of the SME’s that you mention. But in each case the whole team has been no bigger 4-5, and that consisted of the negotiator, the SME, the Lawyer and 2no. Money men.

As above, not 10’s of millions no. Just a few million at best.

Best one was a mediation, to avoid a court situation and that involved just 3 of us. SME, Lawyer and Accountant. Settled for a few million. Sorry if that’s not big enough in the trouser dept for you.

like that was part of my point.

For a multi-million pound negotiator- you don’t come across as that switched on - if you don’t mind me saying.

I've negotiated some money off my utility bills, does this count?

jfman · 04-09-2019, 09:30

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I've negotiated some money off my utility bills, does this count?

A success story of the one man negotiating team, only because you believed in what was possible.

ianch99 · 04-09-2019, 09:33

From BBC's Nick Robinson:

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Not long ago @jeremycorbyn faced a crisis trapped between Remainers & Leavers and was shunned by other opposition parties. Now he’s able to stand up for democracy, work with a cross-party alliance & appear statesmanlike. Is that what people mean by No 10’s new strategic genius?

Johnson is making Corbyn look good! Says it all really .. The new Tory Momentum-esque playbook they have stolen from Labour is not working out too well from them so far. At this rate, they will be rebranding themselves as New UKIP

I applaud the 21 Tory MP's who put Country before Party. I thought the age of principles in politics had passed. They went through the due diligence and asked Johnson face-to-face if he had anything to offer as a deal and if he had made any progress in the backstop alternative and they concluded, correctly as Cummins himself confirmed, the whole negotiation line is a sham.

What this does imply is that unless Johnson does the No Deal election pact with the devil (Farage), the Tories will be very vulnerable in seats where Tory voters are more moderately aligned. If you then throw in possible opposition party collaboration then a Tory majority is not assured.

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A success story of the one man negotiating team, only because you believed in what was possible.

Nah, I did it because I am half Scottish ..

Pierre · 04-09-2019, 09:39

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Originally Posted by ianch99

I've negotiated some money off my utility bills, does this count?

Absolutely

denphone · 04-09-2019, 10:07

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Originally Posted by ianch99

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What this does imply is that unless Johnson does the No Deal election pact with the devil (Farage), the Tories will be very vulnerable in seats where Tory voters are more moderately aligned. If you then throw in possible opposition party collaboration then a Tory majority is not assured.

Nothing is ever sure about any result of a general election , Just ask Winston Churchill who is Britains most popular leader ever who won the war but could not win the hearts and minds of the electorate.

OLD BOY · 04-09-2019, 10:31

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Originally Posted by Damien

With this though....

I am a Remainer and I wanted May's Deal to pass. It wasn't perfect at all and much of it left me unhappy. It wasn't EEA for example.

But it wasn't No Deal. It gave us a two year period to get something else in place, and we'll eventually have to deal with the EU first anyway, and it gave some degree of confidence to the country. It helps us move on a bit too.

I hope Boris Johnson gets some, even cosmetic, details on the backstop that gets the deal though.

That's right, and it was on the basis that after those two years we would have a trade deal more to our liking that I supported it - until the backstop reared it's ugly head as the 'solution' to a manufactured problem.

I am not too concerned about the opposition getting a law through to ban a no deal because I fully expect Boris to be able to win the election with a comfortable majority. He is a popular politician and will win over a significant number of voters who would not have voted for the last two Tory leaders.

Assuming he does get in with a workable majority and no turncoats in his number, he will be able to withdraw the 'no to no deal' legislation with his new found majority.

pip08456 · 04-09-2019, 11:23

Scottish court decision.

The prorogation of parliament by the Prime Minister is not a matter for the courts.

jfman · 04-09-2019, 11:30

It was always going to be appealed either way.

**Chris** · 04-09-2019, 11:31

Of course it isn’t. It’s a matter for the Queen, on advice from her Prime Minister, whose judgement is itself judged by those who support him in parliament, whose judgement is in turn judged by the electorate.

Not that I expect the self-important lot who brought the action to leave it there. It is going to end up in the Supreme Court no matter what.

pip08456 · 04-09-2019, 11:33

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Of course it isn’t. It’s a matter for the Queen, on advice from her Prime Minister, whose judgement is itself judged by those who support him in parliament, whose judgement is in turn judged by the electorate.

Not that I expect the self-important lot who brought the action to leave it there. It is going to end up in the Supreme Court no matter what.

Maybe but the answer will be the same.

**Chris** · 04-09-2019, 11:37

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Maybe but the answer will be the same.

I suspect so. The case was heard by the most senior judge in Scotland, not some jobbing circuit Recorder, anxious to just get it off his desk ASAP.

His judgement is that it is a question for the electorate, and also that the government has not broken any law.

nomadking · 04-09-2019, 15:21

North Korea will soon announce of new system of full democracy. Voters can vote what ever way they want, but if North Korean leader Kim Jong-un doesn't agree with the result, it is overturned and not allowed. In the US the Democrats seem to also want that system.

Pierre · 04-09-2019, 16:12

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Originally Posted by nomadking

North Korea will soon announce of new system of full democracy. Voters can vote what ever way they want, but if North Korean leader Kim Jong-un doesn't agree with the result, it is overturned and not allowed. In the US the Democrats seem to also want that system.

It is quite amazing that we are now virtually a tin pot dictatorship.

And all those dictators that were demanding democracy and an election 5 mins ago, now no longer wish to give one to us.

1andrew1 · 04-09-2019, 17:27

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Originally Posted by nomadking

North Korea will soon announce of new system of full democracy. Voters can vote what ever way they want, but if North Korean leader Kim Jong-un doesn't agree with the result, it is overturned and not allowed. In the US the Democrats seem to also want that system.

Don't give Cummings any ideas.