PM Boris forms a government

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Latest move to keep rebels in line just announced:

https://news.sky.com/story/tory-rebe...drawn-11800021

Bozza is a bit of a drama queen isn't he ? He's seems to be desperate to prove to the EU that no deal is a possibility, when it isn't, and they know it.

Majority of 1, only takes one. Even if they are chucked out some MPs have said they'll stand as Independents in an election, so that's goodbye those seats, along with all the ones in Scotland.

I sense utter panic at No 10.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Pierre

Why would he seek to challenge it, when it doesn’t yet exist?

So they’ll just let the opposition legislate and not seek to stop them?

Rory Stewart has said he wants to be included on the list of those who'll be kicked out of the party. The threat seems to have gone down badly but Jouros are speculating Johnson is trying to force the election.

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by Julian

So much animosity

I usually enjoy reading input ffom both sides but this is silly......

Get used to it. As i mentioned earlier, this country is bitterly divided and will be for a generation or more.

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Originally Posted by Damien

Rory Stewart has said he wants to be included on the list of those who'll be kicked out of the party. The threat seems to have gone down badly but Jouros are speculating Johnson is trying to force the election.

I'm Spartacus! Says Rory

Seriously, the lurch to the right is now being played out in plain sight. First they came ..

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Damien

Rory Stewart has said he wants to be included on the list of those who'll be kicked out of the party. The threat seems to have gone down badly but Jouros are speculating Johnson is trying to force the election.

I expect Jo Swinson may be getting some interesting calls over the next few days.

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Originally Posted by Mr K

Bozza is a bit of a drama queen isn't he ? He's seems to be desperate to prove to the EU that no deal is a possibility, when it isn't, and they know it.

Majority of 1, only takes one. Even if they are chucked out some MPs have said they'll stand as Independents in an election, so that's goodbye those seats, along with all the ones in Scotland.

I sense utter panic at No 10.

I'm not sure how many MPs would lose their seats if they stood as independent MPs. Presumably those Remain-voting MPs in Leave areas would be vulnerable to a new Conservative MP, but the Brexit Party may split the vote.
What this manoeuvring strongly suggests is that BoJo doesn't have a solution to the Irish border issue and that's been bluster.

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by ianch99

Get used to it. As i mentioned earlier, this country is bitterly divided and will be for a generation or more.

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I'm Spartacus! Says Rory

Seriously, the lurch to the right is now being played out in plain sight. First they came ..

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The Labour general secretary Jennie Formby wrote to all MPs last week giving them just a fortnight to decide whether they wanted to stand for reselection at the next election.
According to research by an internal Labour group, which refused to be named, as many as 70 MPs are at risk of being deselected.

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Momentum is to launch a nationwide campaign to encourage members to begin deselection processes for Labour MPs, arguing it can open the door for more diverse, younger, working-class MPs.
The grassroots group said it would support rank-and-file members across the country to begin the process of challenging their sitting MP under Labour’s trigger ballot system.

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The leader of Communist Russia, Joseph Stalin, was paranoid of opposition. It was this paranoia that led to the Great Purge where millions of people were executed or sent to labor camps in Siberia.

As usual the millions of Slavs killed aren't deemed worthy of a mention.

What the what now?

[denphone]

Originally Posted by Julian

So much animosity

I usually enjoy reading input ffom both sides but this is silly......

With such deep generational divisions prevalent this country will be deeply divided for for a long time to come sadly.

Originally Posted by Chris

What the what now?

M’sieur Le Non Sequitur est arrivée...

[jfman]

Originally Posted by denphone

With such deep generational divisions prevalent this country will be deeply divided for for a long time to come sadly.

The country as we know it won't exist.

At least without Scotland and the occupied part of Ireland the people of England can be happy among themselves. To think it was once the Empire on which the sun never set.

[denphone]

Originally Posted by jfman

The country as we know it won't exist.

At least without Scotland and the occupied part of Ireland the people of England can be happy among themselves. To think it was once the Empire on which the sun never set.

The break up of the union if it happens will lie solely at the foot of self serving politicians...

[1andrew1]

More very recent Project Reality as the leaks continue...

Brexit crisis: Govt analysis suggests chaos at Dover in event of no-deal departure

Vehicles could face a two-day delay at Dover in the event of a no-deal Brexit, according to government documents seen by Sky News.
This analysis, commissioned by the Department for Transport (DfT) suggests that:
On day one of a no-deal Brexit, the worst-case scenario would be a two-day maximum delay for freight and vehicles at Dover and an average wait of one-and-a-half days.
That could amount to a pile-up of up to 8,000 vehicles.
Even with a best-case scenario, with businesses as prepared as they possibly could be, vehicles will be waiting for two to three hours, with 50% of vehicles waiting for at least eight.
The report also says that many haulage companies, faced with lengthy new processing periods, will simply cancel their vehicles' journeys (and with them their cargo) because of long waiting times.
Presently, vehicles from EU countries face a delay of around two minutes.

Any delay such as those suggested by the analysis could lead to shortages of goods on shelves and medical supplies in hospitals.

Previously, ministers sought to dismiss concerns over leaked documents, especially those related to so-called Operation Yellowhammer preparations for no-deal, as they were written under the May government and apparently did not adequately reflect the increased preparations under the new administration.

This was always a questionable interpretation. However, they cannot be levelled at this report as it was compiled over the last fortnight and its assumptions are based around current government policy.

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Irish border after Brexit – all ideas are beset by issues says secret paper

A report summarising the findings of the government’s official “alternative arrangements” working groups concluded that there are issues with all the scenarios put forward to try to replace the backstop arrangement. There are also specific concerns over whether any technological solution could be delivered to monitor cross-border trade...
The dossier marked “official-sensitive” prepared for the EU Exit Negotiations Board is dated 28 August. It details how the findings of all advisory groups informing the government on the Northern Irish border are being kept deliberately under wraps to try to avoid hampering Britain’s intended renegotiation of the backstop agreed to by Theresa May.

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[Mr K]

Originally Posted by denphone

The break up of the union if it happens will lie solely at the foot of self serving politicians...

Also at those that voted for it, they were told.

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

More very recent Project Reality as the leaks continue...

Brexit crisis: Govt analysis suggests chaos at Dover in event of no-deal departure

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Irish border after Brexit – all ideas are beset by issues says secret paper

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So again worst case scenario. Turkey is in a customs union with the EU and it still has delays. Are these delays any longer then issues created by bad weather or trade union strikes? These things would still happen if the Withdrawal Agreement was approved.

Nobody would suggest trying to overturn a Scottish "yes" to independence, when the problems for them would be even worse, even if the UK remained in the EU.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by nomadking

So again worst case scenario. Turkey is in a customs union with the EU and it still has delays. Are these delays any longer then issues created by bad weather or trade union strikes? These things would still happen if the Withdrawal Agreement was approved.

Nobody would suggest trying to overturn a Scottish "yes" to independence, when the problems for them would be even worse, even if the UK remained in the EU.

Turkey isn't transitioning from a frictionless border so I fail to see the relevance.

Snow melts, workers return. Are you suggesting the solution is to rejoin the EU within a few days?