PM Boris forms a government - Page 80

**Hugh** · 18-08-2019, 12:29

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Polls.......they’re a dime a dozen, and you take any headline from them you want

https://www.politico.eu/article/half...-no-pm-corbyn/[COLOR="Silver"]

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How can it be "fear mongering nonsense" if it’s actually happening? (all these things are part of the U.K. Government’s contingency planning - these things have been budgeted for and are being put in place).

Brexit: PM to tell EU leaders to renegotiate deal https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-49385263

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The dossier reported by the Sunday Times says leaving the EU without a deal could lead to:
■ Fresh food becoming less available and prices rising
■ A hard Irish border after plans to avoid checks fail, sparking protests
■ Fuel becoming less available and 2,000 jobs could be lost if the government sets petrol import tariffs to 0%, potentially causing two oil refineries to close
■ UK patients having to wait longer for medicines, including insulin and flu vaccines
■ A rise in public disorder and community tensions resulting from a shortage of food and drugs
■ Passengers delayed at EU airports, Eurotunnel and Dover
■ Freight disruption at ports lasting up to three months, caused by customs checks, before traffic flow improves to 50-70% of the current rate

The government said the document was not what it expected to happen, but outlined scenarios being looked at as part of its no-deal preparations

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Perhaps, as I suggested earlier, it’s not that it’s being planned for that’s the problem, but that worst-case transition planning is being deliberately conflated with preparation for the permanent impoverishment of the country.

Life outside the EU is a long term prospect, not to be confused with the short-term complications of leaving - at least some of which are perhaps more complicated than they might have needed to be, given the disposition of both sides of the negotiations from 2016 until very recently.

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Britain faces shortages of fuel, food and medicine, a three-month meltdown at its ports, a hard border with Ireland and rising costs in social care in the event of a no-deal Brexit, according to an unprecedented leak of government documents that lay bare the gaps in contingency planning.

The documents, which set out the most likely aftershocks of a no-deal Brexit rather than worst-case scenarios, have emerged as the UK looks increasingly likely to crash out of the EU without a deal.

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It states that the public and businesses remain largely unprepared for no deal and that growing “EU exit fatigue” has hampered contingency planning which has stalled since the UK’s original departure date in March.

A senior Whitehall source said: “This is not Project Fear — this is the most realistic assessment of what the public face with no deal. These are likely, basic, reasonable scenarios — not the worst case.”

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/n...aked-j6ntwvhll

Mr K · 18-08-2019, 12:33

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Originally Posted by Carth

So you're both in agreement then, a 'No Deal' is the only outcome

If nothing changes it will. Don't think any of us would be laughing then though...

However even Bozza isn't that stupid, no deal would be electoral suicide, and his career is everything. Its a bluff to try and the EU to renegotiate - its failing.

**Hugh** · 18-08-2019, 12:42

Leaked report in the Times (behind paywall, but can be seen if you use incognito browsing).

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/n...ment-797qxkrcm

Carth · 18-08-2019, 12:58

Another one?

Maybe the Government should forget Brexit and start plugging all the leaks

although I believe there are no leaks, only strategically released papers

denphone · 18-08-2019, 13:03

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Originally Posted by Carth

Another one?

Maybe the Government should forget Brexit and start plugging all the leaks

although I believe there are no leaks, only strategically released papers

This time from a Conservative leaning newspaper...

jfman · 18-08-2019, 13:11

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Originally Posted by Carth

So you're both in agreement then, a 'No Deal' is the only outcome

Haha.

It's more likely than the EU coming cap in hand at the last minute with a glorious deal that doesn't involve remaining in a customs union for goods.

Carth · 18-08-2019, 13:22

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Originally Posted by jfman

Haha.

It's more likely than the EU coming cap in hand at the last minute with a glorious deal that doesn't involve remaining in a customs union for goods.

You never know, perhaps while we're guessing things they (the EU) are developing a deal that will keep the EU afloat for another 3 or 4 years with our help

**Chris** · 18-08-2019, 15:42

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Originally Posted by Hugh

Leaked report in the Times (behind paywall, but can be seen if you use incognito browsing).

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/n...ment-797qxkrcm

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A No 10 source told the BBC that dossier had been leaked by a former minister in an attempt to influence discussions with EU leaders.
They added that the document "is from when ministers were blocking what needed to be done to get ready to leave and the funds were not available".
Responding to the leak, Mr Gove tweeted: "We don't normally comment on leaks - but a few facts - Yellowhammer is a worst case scenario - v significant steps have been taken in the last three weeks to accelerate Brexit planning."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49388402

As I said earlier ... there was a time when all sides in this negotiation were in agreement that ideally the UK should not be leaving the EU in the first place. I’d have been more surprised if a document like this didn’t exist, and I couldn’t be less surprised that it is being leaked now, by someone who was in it up to their eyeballs and is still trying desperately, now from the outside of government, to continue to exert pressure to force the UK to remain as close to the EU as possible.

**Mick** · 18-08-2019, 20:03

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Why should the EU give us anything at all, even at 10 to midnight on the 31st? We voted to leave. If we are ill prepared then that's on us, not them.

Don’t want a thing from those corrupt pricks. We need nothing from them.

nomadking · 18-08-2019, 20:09

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Originally Posted by jfman

Why should the EU give us anything at all, even at 10 to midnight on the 31st? We voted to leave. If we are ill prepared then that's on us, not them.

And the EU is prepared? Any difficulties work both ways.

Delays already happen with things like extreme bad weather and union strikes.

What is the difference between a customs delay of even a few hours, and days of heavy snow?

jfman · 18-08-2019, 20:34

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And the EU is prepared? Any difficulties work both ways.

Delays already happen with things like extreme bad weather and union strikes.

What is the difference between a customs delay of even a few hours, and days of heavy snow?

The snow will melt.

OLD BOY · 18-08-2019, 20:46

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Originally Posted by jfman

The snow will melt.

And any early transitional difficulties will be fixed.

jfman · 18-08-2019, 20:52

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And any early transitional difficulties will be fixed.

You assume the difficulties will only be early and transitional. That’s an unknown.

Pierre · 18-08-2019, 21:29

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You assume the difficulties will only be early and transitional. That’s an unknown.

Ha, everything from this point forward is an unknown.

One I am certain of, is that remainers ( and I mean Parliament as well) are totally naive if they think that blocking Brexit will be the end of it.

Half the country will have been discounted, + those that may not have voted for Brexit but believe in democracy, such as myself.

Any future looking Parliament will be very different.

There will almost certainly be no outright government. Coalitions will be the order of the day. Enter Farage.

**Hugh** · 18-08-2019, 21:43

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Originally Posted by Pierre

Ha, everything from this point forward is an unknown.

One I am certain of, is that remainers ( and I mean Parliament as well) are totally naive if they think that blocking Brexit will be the end of it.

Half the country will have been discounted, + those that may not have voted for Brexit but believe in democracy, such as myself.

Any future looking Parliament will be very different.

There will almost certainly be no outright government. Coalitions will be the order of the day. Enter Farage.

Eighth time lucky, eh?

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Originally Posted by Chris

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49388402

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A No 10 source told the BBC that dossier had been leaked by a former minister in an attempt to influence discussions with EU leaders.
They added that the document "is from when ministers were blocking what needed to be done to get ready to leave and the funds were not available".
Responding to the leak, Mr Gove tweeted: "We don't normally comment on leaks - but a few facts - Yellowhammer is a worst case scenario - v significant steps have been taken in the last three weeks to accelerate Brexit planning."

As I said earlier ... there was a time when all sides in this negotiation were in agreement that ideally the UK should not be leaving the EU in the first place. I’d have been more surprised if a document like this didn’t exist, and I couldn’t be less surprised that it is being leaked now, by someone who was in it up to their eyeballs and is still trying desperately, now from the outside of government, to continue to exert pressure to force the UK to remain as close to the EU as possible.

Look forward to the evidence to back up this anonymous briefing...

Let's get something straight - I hope to God* that this is all overblown, because if what has been published are the "likely outcomes" of a "no deal" Brexit, the poorest and/or the most vulnerable in society, and those least able to cope, will be the ones who will suffer most, and I don't believe anyone wishes that to happen.

*other deities/belief systems are available