PM Boris forms a government

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Pierre

All the things you list may be required for a time as we transition out of the EU. They will not be the permanent new arrangement and if they happened would be temporary if needed at all.

So to list these things and propose them, as you seem to be, as how things will work going forward is scaremongering.

They'll be like some sort of back stop

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

They'll be like some sort of back stop

No, not really.

[nomadking]

Any border/customs related issues will also exist on the other side of any border with the EU. If anything the EU side will have more problems as the EU countries have less choice over what they can or cannot do. Eg We can fast track certain items, but the EU can't.

[denphone]

Voters firmly reject Boris Johnson’s plan to crash out of EU with no deal, poll finds.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/brexi...cid=spartanntp

The public decisively rejects Boris Johnson’s threat to crash the UK out of the EU without a deal, undermining his claim to have a mandate for the dramatic step, an exclusive poll for The Independent shows.

Only 34 per cent of voters want the prime minister to carry out a no-deal Brexit on 31 October if necessary – while 49 per cent urge him to either delay, cancel Brexit altogether, or stage a fresh referendum.

The Independent poll, of 1,515 adults, carried out in the days up to 12 August, suggests the public is increasingly desperate to settle the Brexit controversy one way or the other, rather than prolong the crisis.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by Mr K

Lol, I think the EU would tell us where to go if we asked to rejoin !

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Don't know who you listened to Mick, no one suggested anything about a no deal chaos.

Project Fear might just prove to be something we can only dream of.

The 'no deal chaos' is a figment of the imagination of the Project Fear Brigade.

The population is beginning to see through that now. A lot of people are going to look rather foolish by the turn of the year, when the sky will not have caved in.

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Originally Posted by Hugh

How can it be "fear mongering nonsense" if it’s actually happening? (all these things are part of the U.K. Government’s contingency planning - these things have been budgeted for and are being put in place).

Actually happening? Where? I went shopping in Sainsbury's today. Shelves were pretty well stocked.

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Originally Posted by denphone

Voters firmly reject Boris Johnson’s plan to crash out of EU with no deal, poll finds.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/brexi...cid=spartanntp

Seems to contradict another poll I saw recently which showed that if Boris got us out of the EU with a no deal, the Conservatives would be most likely to get back in with a working majority.

Was this one a poll of 'Independent' readers, I wonder?

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

The 'no deal chaos' is a figment of the imagination of the Project Fear Brigade.

The population is beginning to see through that now. A lot of people are going to look rather foolish by the turn of the year, when the sky will not have caved in.

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Actually happening? Where? I went shopping in Sainsbury's today. Shelves were pretty well stocked.

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Seems to contradict another poll I saw recently which showed that if Boris got us out of the EU with a no deal, the Conservatives would be most likely to get back in with a working majority.

Was this one a poll of 'Independent' readers, I wonder?

All's well in cloud cuckoo land then OB? That's nice

Originally Posted by denphone

Voters firmly reject Boris Johnson’s plan to crash out of EU with no deal, poll finds.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/brexi...cid=spartanntp

Voters would rather have Boris and No Deal than Caretaker Corbyn and a second referendum, poll finds.

https://order-order.com/2019/08/17/y...exit-pm-corbyn

You pays your money and you takes your poll. In this case, the polls apparently support the political views of the website reporting them, to the surprise of absolutely no-one.

[denphone]

Originally Posted by Chris

Voters would rather have Boris and No Deal than Caretaker Corbyn and a second referendum, poll finds.

https://order-order.com/2019/08/17/y...exit-pm-corbyn

You pays your money and you takes your poll. In this case, the polls apparently support the political views of the website reporting them, to the surprise of absolutely no-one.

No different to the other UK newspapers l would imagine..

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

The 'no deal chaos' is a figment of the imagination of the Project Fear Brigade.

The population is beginning to see through that now. A lot of people are going to look rather foolish by the turn of the year, when the sky will not have caved in.

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Actually happening? Where? I went shopping in Sainsbury's today. Shelves were pretty well stocked.

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Seems to contradict another poll I saw recently which showed that if Boris got us out of the EU with a no deal, the Conservatives would be most likely to get back in with a working majority.

Was this one a poll of 'Independent' readers, I wonder?

You appear to have misunderstood/misinterpreted my post - I was referring to the government current budgeting/plans/actions for mitigation in the event of a "no deal" Brexit, actions that the Government are doing now, not Sainsbury’s shelves, which would only be affected by a "no deal" Brexit after Hallowe’en, not today - sorry if this was difficult for you to understand...

Originally Posted by Hugh

How can it be "fear mongering nonsense" if it’s actually happening? (all these things are part of the U.K. Government’s contingency planning - these things have been budgeted for and are being put in place).

Because it is-end of discussion.

On that note...

BREAKING: The Brexit Secretary has now signed the formal order repealing the 1972 European Communities Act on October 31, Sunday Telegraph reveals. The repealing of the act ends EU Law Supremacy over UK Domestic Law.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by denphone

Voters firmly reject Boris Johnson’s plan to crash out of EU with no deal, poll finds.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/brexi...cid=spartanntp

Polls.......they’re a dime a dozen, and you take any headline from them you want

https://www.politico.eu/article/half...-no-pm-corbyn/

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Originally Posted by Hugh

How can it be "fear mongering nonsense" if it’s actually happening? (all these things are part of the U.K. Government’s contingency planning - these things have been budgeted for and are being put in place).

Brexit: PM to tell EU leaders to renegotiate deal https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-49385263

The dossier reported by the Sunday Times says leaving the EU without a deal could lead to:
■ Fresh food becoming less available and prices rising
■ A hard Irish border after plans to avoid checks fail, sparking protests
■ Fuel becoming less available and 2,000 jobs could be lost if the government sets petrol import tariffs to 0%, potentially causing two oil refineries to close
■ UK patients having to wait longer for medicines, including insulin and flu vaccines
■ A rise in public disorder and community tensions resulting from a shortage of food and drugs
■ Passengers delayed at EU airports, Eurotunnel and Dover
■ Freight disruption at ports lasting up to three months, caused by customs checks, before traffic flow improves to 50-70% of the current rate

The government said the document was not what it expected to happen, but outlined scenarios being looked at as part of its no-deal preparations

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by Pierre

Brexit: PM to tell EU leaders to renegotiate deal https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-49385263

Brexit: EU Leaders tell PM to get knotted..

They really aren't as desperate as we are, and have remained consistent, unlike us. We've overestimated our own importance again.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Mr K

Brexit: EU Leaders tell PM to get knotted..

They really aren't as desperate as we are, and have remained consistent, unlike us. We've overestimated our own importance again.

Well if we show them we have a spine we might get something.

The EU will not give us anything until it’s 10 to midnight on the 31st. Why should they?

We have a Remainer Parliament that will do anything to thwart Brexit, including bringing down the Government.

The EU will just let that happen, extend article 50, and then deal with a new government that will happily bend over and enjoy being rodgered the EU.

It’s pathetic and it’s very embarrassing to be British at the moment.

[jfman]

Why should the EU give us anything at all, even at 10 to midnight on the 31st? We voted to leave. If we are ill prepared then that's on us, not them.

[Carth]

Originally Posted by Mr K

Brexit: EU Leaders tell PM to get knotted..

Originally Posted by jfman

Why should the EU give us anything at all, even at 10 to midnight on the 31st?

So you're both in agreement then, a 'No Deal' is the only outcome