The costs of Alcohol Abuse

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New report reveals staggering cost to NHS of alcohol abuse.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/...l-abuse-report

One in 10 people in a hospital bed in the UK are alcohol-dependent and one in five are doing themselves harm by their drinking, according to research that quantifies for the first time the massive burden to the NHS of Britain’s drinking culture.

Prof Sir Ian Gilmore, the chair of the Alcohol Health Alliance UK, said the figures were worrying. “More than 80 people die of alcohol-related causes across the UK every day, and there are more than 1m alcohol-related hospital admissions every year in England alone. This puts considerable pressure on the NHS, as well as other public services,” he said.

Having seen personally what alcohol abuse can do to people surely this is something we need to start taking seriously in this country for once..

Same with the obesity thread yesterday. Alcohol and general diet are such huge issues for our health and consequentially the NHS. I can still never get over the statistic that diabetes, although not all diabetes is obesity-related, costs the NHS 10% of its budget: https://www.nhs.uk/news/diabetes/dia...icted-to-rise/

Crazy. Better diets and ideally a cure for diabetes would give such a massive boost to the NHS finances.

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Originally Posted by Damien

Same with the obesity thread yesterday. Alcohol and general diet are such huge issues for our health and consequentially the NHS. I can still never get over the statistic that diabetes, although not all diabetes is obesity-related, costs the NHS 10% of its budget: https://www.nhs.uk/news/diabetes/dia...icted-to-rise/

Crazy. Better diets and ideally a cure for diabetes would give such a massive boost to the NHS finances.

l personally have been diabetic for 3 years now and knew that one had to change my diet and such has been my own determination to get on top of it my level for the last 3 months has gone below actually gone below the level where the diagnosis of diabetes is given.

Obviously just to stipulate there are many reasons as to why people become diabetic as its not just a poor diet that can cause it.

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Originally Posted by Damien

Same with the obesity thread yesterday. Alcohol and general diet are such huge issues for our health and consequentially the NHS. I can still never get over the statistic that diabetes, although not all diabetes is obesity-related, costs the NHS 10% of its budget: https://www.nhs.uk/news/diabetes/dia...icted-to-rise/

Crazy. Better diets and ideally a cure for diabetes would give such a massive boost to the NHS finances.

The newspaper said that most spending on the condition is due to avoidable complications.
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The study also reported that the cost of treating diabetes complications (including kidney failure, nerve damage, stroke, blindness and amputation) is expected to almost double from £7.7 billion currently to £13.5 billion by 2035/36.

It's not diabetes itself that is costly, it is that people ignore any potential consequences. It's a bit like smokers with lung cancer or emphysema continuing to smoke, or alcoholics with cirrhosis continuing to drink.

The problem with cures or fixes for certain types of undesirable activity, is that to increase the level of that undesirable activity because you have removed any negative consequences.

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Originally Posted by Damien

Same with the obesity thread yesterday. Alcohol and general diet are such huge issues for our health and consequentially the NHS. I can still never get over the statistic that diabetes, although not all diabetes is obesity-related, costs the NHS 10% of its budget: https://www.nhs.uk/news/diabetes/dia...icted-to-rise/

Crazy. Better diets and ideally a cure for diabetes would give such a massive boost to the NHS finances.

Having been to A&E and hospitals on a pretty regular basis over the last 20 years the amount of people up there with alcohol induced problems is just simply staggering going by my own observations.

Originally Posted by nomadking

It's not diabetes itself that is costly, it is that people ignore any potential consequences. It's a bit like smokers with lung cancer or emphysema continuing to smoke, or alcoholics with cirrhosis continuing to drink.

The problem with cures or fixes for certain types of undesirable activity, is that to increase the level of that undesirable activity because you have removed any negative consequences.

Are you stating that cures or fixes for venereal diseases, such as syphilis or gonorrhea, are counter-productive?

What about medication for stress-induced health conditions?

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Originally Posted by Hugh

Are you stating that cures or fixes for venereal diseases, such as syphilis or gonorrhea, are counter-productive?

What about medication for stress-induced health conditions?

I said "certain types", not all. All too easy to have the "excuse" of stress, in order to dodge responsibility. It's not as if any problem is going to mysteriously vanish if they don't take responsibility.



One of the early theories(quickly rubbished) on HIV/AIDS, was that the treatments for syphilis and/or gonorrhoea were the cause, because the link between the two was so very strong. There were those going to the clinics almost monthly to get treatment.
From 2008

A third of gay men who know they are HIV positive are still having unprotected sex, a study suggests.

And that was before Pre-exposure prophylaxis pills.

Originally Posted by nomadking

I said "certain types", not all. All too easy to have the "excuse" of stress, in order to dodge responsibility. It's not as if any problem is going to mysteriously vanish if they don't take responsibility.



One of the early theories(quickly rubbished) on HIV/AIDS, was that the treatments for syphilis and/or gonorrhoea were the cause, because the link between the two was so very strong. There were those going to the clinics almost monthly to get treatment.
From 2008

And that was before Pre-exposure prophylaxis pills.

You, sir, have no idea what you're talking about...

Stress is (mainly) caused by having responsibility for actions/outcomes, but not having the power to influence those actions or outcomes...

Saying people can avoid stress by taking on responsibility is like saying someone should "walk off" a broken leg...

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Originally Posted by Hugh

You, sir, have no idea what you're talking about...

Stress is (mainly) caused by having responsibility for actions/outcomes, but not having the power to influence those actions or outcomes...

Saying people can avoid stress by taking on responsibility is like saying someone should "walk off" a broken leg...

Seen too many times where something along the lines of "my gran died 10 years ago" as an excuse to tuck into a huge takeaway. Not stress related at all.