Brexit

[Pierre]

Can we finally put to bed the statement that Leavers didn’t know what they voted for?

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Pierre

Can we finally put to bed the statement that Leavers didn’t know what they voted for?

No. 17.4 million people didn’t vote for the Brexit Party. And those that did might, given new information, still do so because it’s ideological to them.

Although the statement isn’t really helpful anyway. Farage will steamroller PV types if it continues to be commonly used as the establishment talking down to the little guy.

[heero_yuy]

Quote from Damien:


Libs + Green + SNP + PC + Change UK.

To allocate all the seats and or votes won by remain supporting parties as meaning only their remain policy counts is very naïve. People vote, for example, Green for many reasons OTHER than their EU membership stance.

Farage's party had but one policy and the majority voted for that and that alone.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by heero_yuy

To allocate all the seats and or votes won by remain supporting parties as meaning only their remain policy counts is very naïve. People vote, for example, Green for many reasons OTHER than their EU membership stance.

Farage's party had but one policy and the majority voted for that and that alone.

I agree it’s not as effective as a further referendum.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by jfman

No. 17.4 million people didn’t vote for the Brexit Party. And those that did might, given new information, still do so because it’s ideological to them.

But given that over 3 years we’ve had the Remain side telling the public they’d been lied to, telling them how much worse of they’ll be, everyone was undoubtedly in full knowledge of the facts, and yet Brexit has swept the board?

Or is every person that voted Brexit a blinkered idealog.

All this has just confirmed that another Referendum would most likely return a similar result so I don’t know why they are pushing for one

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by Pierre

Change U.K. - 3.4
LibDem - 20.3
Plaid - 1
SNP - 3.6
Green 12.1

40.4 = Remain at all cost

Brexit - 31.6 = Leave, with no deal if necessary

Tories - 9.1
Labour - 14.1

23.1 Leave, with a deal only

So I don’t see how Remain won?

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The results last night don't tell us anything the polling on a second referendum hasn't told us before. The country is deeply spilt down the middle. If Brexit isn't delivered the voters will punish you, if Brexit is delivered the voters will punish you.

The vote last night will be seen as people want to see them. The only real losers are Labour's comprise position and May's deal.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Pierre

But given that over 3 years we’ve had the Remain side telling the public they’d been lied to, telling them how much worse of they’ll be, everyone was undoubtedly in full knowledge of the facts, and yet Brexit has swept the board?

Or is every person that voted Brexit a blinkered idealog.

All this has just confirmed that another Referendum would most likely return a similar result so I don’t know why they are pushing for one

Brexit Party has unsurprisingly taken the UKIP vote and hammered the Tories. It didn’t win a majority and got less than the 17.4 million votes Leave did. “Swept the board” is exaggerating somewhat. Taking these figures and applying them to a hypothetical referendum with much higher turnout isn’t realistic.

All this has confirmed is the country remains polarised by the issue. We knew that last week.

Originally Posted by jfman

No.17.4 million people didn’t vote for the Brexit Party. And those that did might, given new information, still do so because it’s ideological to them.

Although the statement isn’t really helpful anyway. Farage will steamroller PV types if it continues to be commonly used as the establishment talking down to the little guy.

YES!!!

In essence. On to last nights results. Great victory for Leavers and the Brexit Party. We won again. BP+UKIP+Con tally beats LD+ChUK+GR+SNP+PC. Around 40% for Remain and 44% for leave. That equates to 52% Leave vs 48% for Remain. No surprise there then.

Lots of bullshit spin being put out here that Remain won, they haven’t. The Lib Dem’s campaigned on a strong Remain ticket but they lost heavy to Brexit Party on a strong Leave ticket. To add all the Remain groups who ran on multiple policies is disingenuous.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Paul M

You mean several parties added together got more than one .. wow, talk about grasping at straws.

I didn't talk about one party.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Mick

YES!!!

In essence. On to last nights results. Great victory for Leavers and the Brexit Party. We won again. BP+UKIP+Con tally beats LD+ChUK+GR+SNP+PC. Around 40% for Remain and 44% for leave. That equates to 52% Leave vs 48% for Remain. No surprise there then.

Lots of bullshit spin being put out here that Remain won, they haven’t. The Lib Dem’s campaigned on a strong Remain ticket but they lost heavy to Brexit Party on a strong Leave ticket. To add all the Remain groups who ran on multiple policies is disingenuous.

To not add them together ignores reality.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by jfman

All this has confirmed is the country remains polarised by the issue. We knew that last week.

Exactly. And that goes back to my statement from yesterday that the most important election result for Brexit wasn't the European one but will be the one for the next Prime Minister.

As an aside, I thought it was interesting to see that senior politicians Michael Heseltine and Alistair Campbell didn't vote for their own parties. Shows the deep divides within the two main parties.

Originally Posted by jfman

Brexit Party has unsurprisingly taken the UKIP vote and hammered the Tories. It didn’t win a majority and got less than the 17.4 million votes Leave did. “Swept the board” is exaggerating somewhat. Taking these figures and applying them to a hypothetical referendum with much higher turnout isn’t realistic.

All this has confirmed is the country remains polarised by the issue. We knew that last week.

FFS, you keep asking where are all the 17.4 Million leavers for BP, the same can be said, where are all the 16 Million Remainers for Lib Democrats?

It’s always one sided rubbish with some of you Remainers.

You lost AGAIN!

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Originally Posted by jfman

To not add them together ignores reality.

And to add them together, as I showed you, your side lost, yet again!

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Mick

FFS, you keep asking where are all the 17.4 Million leavers for BP, the same can be said, where are all the 16 Million Remainers for Lib Democrats?

It’s always one sided rubbish with some of you Remainers.

You lost AGAIN!

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And to add them together, as I showed you, your side lost, yet again!

That’s why this poll isn’t a meaningful measure of anything. You can spin it anyway, up to and including the public resoundingly rejecting Farage’s “no deal”.

It doesn’t change anything in Parliament either.

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by Mick

YES!!!

In essence. On to last nights results. Great victory for Leavers and the Brexit Party. We won again. BP+UKIP+Con tally beats LD+ChUK+GR+SNP+PC. Around 40% for Remain and 44% for leave. That equates to 52% Leave vs 48% for Remain. No surprise there then.

Lots of bullshit spin being put out here that Remain won, they haven’t. The Lib Dem’s campaigned on a strong Remain ticket but they lost heavy to Brexit Party on a strong Leave ticket. To add all the Remain groups who ran on multiple policies is disingenuous.

Not all Conservatives are Brexiteers Mick, could be argued the support they had left are the Remainers in the Party. Same for Labour. In which case Remain won by an even bigger margin. No wonder there is paranoia from the Leave side on another vote !