Brexit

[Carth]

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

..... The only way we will perform a hard brexit is if the EU decide they have had enough.

and the way they hand out extensions faster than a doctor prescribing tablets means they're happy with the current status of events

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by Pierre

It could, but it would have to be following a general election with Tories winning with a thumping majority and all MPs voting with the whip.

So not anytime soon.

Or, if the Brexit party expected euro results were to transfer to a GE.

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Originally Posted by Carth

and the way they hand out extensions faster than a doctor prescribing tablets means they're happy with the current status of events

Not really, considering Macrons take on things in the last request for an extension.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Good. Then we can start work on the hard Brexit that is necessary to get us out of the EU.

It's still possible
BREXIT NO DEAL:Hardline new PM could FORCE THROUGH Brexit and MPs would have to suck it up

“A motion opposing a no-deal Brexit would obviously have political power but it would not be legally binding.

“If push comes to shove and you had a prime minister who was prepared to go for no-deal and take the consequences then it is not obvious to see a clear route by which parliament could prevent it.”

The Institute said a new prime minister would be under no obligation to rule out no deal Brexit
https://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...prime-minister

[Mythica]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Good. Then we can start work on the hard Brexit that is necessary to get us out of the EU.

I thought Brexit was Brexit? Didn't think there was such things as hard or soft Brexit, as far as I remember that's what we kept getting told on here anyway.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

It's still possible
BREXIT NO DEAL:Hardline new PM could FORCE THROUGH Brexit and MPs would have to suck it up

“A motion opposing a no-deal Brexit would obviously have political power but it would not be legally binding.

“If push comes to shove and you had a prime minister who was prepared to go for no-deal and take the consequences then it is not obvious to see a clear route by which parliament could prevent it.”

The Institute said a new prime minister would be under no obligation to rule out no deal Brexit
https://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...prime-minister

Think that's not really news, it's been that way from day one. Issue is what happens to the PM in that situation? No confidence motion and out. Or mass resignation of MPs so no majority for anything else. No easy way on this I'm afraid.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Think that's not really news, it's been that way from day one. Issue is what happens to the PM in that situation? No confidence motion and out. Or mass resignation of MPs so no majority for anything else. No easy way on this I'm afraid.

Once we are out the PM might be happy to return to the back benches , then they can be offered another frontbench job by their mates.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by Mythica

I thought Brexit was Brexit? Didn't think there was such things as hard or soft Brexit, as far as I remember that's what we kept getting told on here anyway.

I used that terminology because it's the only language aggressive remainers understand.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

Once we are out the PM might be happy to return to the back benches , then they can be offered another frontbench job by their mates.

I don't see any of the current candidates interested in a temp PM position.

[Mythica]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

I used that terminology because it's the only language aggressive remainers understand.

Opposed to what, aggressive leavers? It's pretty simple to understand. Some people want to leave, some want to stay. Some want no deal, others want a deal. I'm not sure why people have to make an agenda out of it.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by Mythica

Opposed to what, aggressive leavers? It's pretty simple to understand. Some people want to leave, some want to stay. Some want no deal, others want a deal. I'm not sure why people have to make an agenda out of it.

I was referring to those remainers who refuse to accept the referendum result and are trying to muddy the waters with their picture of a multi-faceted Brexit that we know as the Brino options.

There is only one Brexit. It means we leave. The remainers I referred to call this a hard Brexit, but in truth, it is just Brexit.

The withdrawal agreement is dead and there are no viable options to replace it. Therefore we leave without a deal and we invoke GATT Article 24 to provide us with a period of protection until we get a trade deal.

This is the only way we can respect the referendum result.

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

I was referring to those remainers who refuse to accept the referendum result and are trying to muddy the waters with their picture of a multi-faceted Brexit that we know as the Brino options.

There is only one Brexit. It means we leave. The remainers I referred to call this a hard Brexit, but in truth, it is just Brexit.
.

Even after no deal the same questions about what happens with our relationship with the EU remains

[Mythica]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

I was referring to those remainers who refuse to accept the referendum result and are trying to muddy the waters with their picture of a multi-faceted Brexit that we know as the Brino options.

There is only one Brexit. It means we leave. The remainers I referred to call this a hard Brexit, but in truth, it is just Brexit.

The withdrawal agreement is dead and there are no viable options to replace it. Therefore we leave without a deal and we invoke GATT Article 24 to provide us with a period of protection until we get a trade deal.

This is the only way we can respect the referendum result.

You believe there is only one Brexit. Other people believe Brexit means other things. Leaving with a deal was still Brexit, just not the Brexit you wanted. I don't believe anyone in here refuses to accept the referendum result, they just have a different opinion to you.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by Damien

Even after no deal the same questions about what happens with our relationship with the EU remains

That will be determined by the EU/UK trade deal.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Mythica

Opposed to what, aggressive leavers? It's pretty simple to understand. Some people want to leave, some want to stay. Some want no deal, others want a deal. I'm not sure why people have to make an agenda out of it.

Agreed. Very peculiar.

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY

That will be determined by the EU/UK trade deal.

Which could include the customs union and single market or something g very similar.

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Think that's not really news, it's been that way from day one. Issue is what happens to the PM in that situation? No confidence motion and out. Or mass resignation of MPs so no majority for anything else. No easy way on this I'm afraid.

I don't think it is as simple as that. At present despite 3yrs of negotiation no deal has been placed on the table to be agreed. All we have had is a flawed withdrawal agreement proposed which has the potential to keep us in the EU indefinitely. Parliament has rejected that.

Thanks to lily livered remain MP's the EU has been given the confidence to refuse to change the terms of the WA.

A PM who is willing to force through a no deal exit would not be advocating not having a deal with the EU just that EU intransigence on the withdrawal agreement meant leave first and then negotiate a deal.

Faced with someone willing to walk away without a deal alters the whole dynamics of negotiations.