Brexit - Page 166

Mr K · 22-05-2019, 22:46

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Originally Posted by denphone

Andrea Leadsom resigns as Commons leader.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48374098

She's always struck me as one of the more talentless in the Cabinet. But there is a lot of competition, Grayling ahead with all the others close behind....

Pierre · 22-05-2019, 22:58

As was pointed out on various media outlets, everybody launches a leadership bid, so when an actual decent candidate emerges a they can then end their bids and support said candidate in return for a nice top cabinet position.

1andrew1 · 22-05-2019, 23:11

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Originally Posted by Mr K

She's always struck me as one of the more talentless in the Cabinet. But there is a lot of competition, Grayling ahead with all the others close behind....

In my book, Gove and Hammond sit at one end and Grayling and May the other with the latter two battling for the throne of most incompetent. The rest slot in between them. I judge the Cabinet here on their competence, not their political beliefs.

ianch99 · 23-05-2019, 00:24

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Originally Posted by Chris

Gosh, you’re sounding desperate now.

May has demonstrably tried to deliver on that. However as she doesn’t have a Commons majority her options are limited. This is still fairly novel to us with our Westminster voting system and its tendency to deliver majority governments that are then solely responsible for whether or not their manifesto is delivered. It is however pretty routine in European countries where coalitions and confidence arrangements are the norm and manifesto delivery is always down to the art of the possible. That’s the scenario we are now in, and the only question we can ask is whether parties are trying to live up to their manifesto, not whether they actually do it.

I appreciate your need to grasp at any straw that might, just possibly, de-legitimise a No-Deal scenario but ultimately Parliament has already ruined your hopes by legislating in a way that makes that scenario the default.

Not desperate, just honesty. Something, you are fast losing a grasp of.

BAAC* it is then ...

*Brexit At All Costs

**Mick** · 23-05-2019, 08:11

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Originally Posted by ianch99

Not desperate, just honesty. Something, you are fast losing a grasp of.

BAAC* it is then ...

*Brexit At All Costs

You have not been honest once, just displaying your tantrums and stamping your feet because your side lost a legitimate, democratic referendum.

OLD BOY · 23-05-2019, 08:45

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Brexit voters overwhelmingly wanted a leave deal and voted for the Conservative and Labour parties who both said they would get one. If they had wanted no deal they would have voted for UKIP.

You have drawn the wrong conclusion. Whether voters wanted a deal or not is subjective. Some, like me, were quite happy with a transitional arrangement leading to a trade deal.

But what you are missing is that the majority of the electorate voted to leave.

Given that a deal with the EU on terms Parliament is prepared to accept is not available, the default is no deal. But it is Brexit, which none of the alternatives offer.

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1

In my book, Gove and Hammond sit at one end and Grayling and May the other with the latter two battling for the throne of most incompetent. The rest slot in between them. I judge the Cabinet here on their competence, not their political beliefs.

Very interesting, Andrew. And how do you judge the Shadow Cabinet?

Sephiroth · 23-05-2019, 10:08

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1

I don't want a second referendum. I accept the result and have consistently done so. If someone talks of respecting the referendum result and ignores the most recent one it should be pointed out. I agree largely with Pierre except the default should not be no-deal.

Logically and legally how could the default not be no-deal? Article 50 governs.

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Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

I always find it odd that they can resign and leave their position straight away, whilst in the real world those resigning have to give notice.

There you have it: ‘.... in the real world ...’

ianch99 · 23-05-2019, 10:38

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Originally Posted by Mick

You have not been honest once, just displaying your tantrums and stamping your feet because your side lost a legitimate, democratic referendum.

Au contraire (to use posh french words

), I have been honest and consistent since day 1. The referendum is illegitimate and undemocratic for a variety of reasons (long since stated and repeated).

You just disagree which is your right.

jonbxx · 23-05-2019, 10:48

Surprised the hell out of the people in the polling station by turning up a couple of minutes after 7 to vote

ALDE is probably the political party in the European Parliament that most closely reflects my views so I voted appropriately

**Chris** · 23-05-2019, 10:54

You voted for a cut-price German supermarket?

papa smurf · 23-05-2019, 10:59

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Originally Posted by ianch99

Au contraire (to use posh french words

), I have been honest and consistent since day 1. The referendum is illegitimate and undemocratic for a variety of reasons (long since stated and repeated).

You just disagree which is your right.

I feel pretty sure you can get help for your obsession, have you considered a holiday somewhere secluded .

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Any hoo just been to vote, huge ballot paper many candidates to choose from but thankfully someone had the good sense to put a big arrow next to the correct box

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Originally Posted by Chris

You voted for a cut-price German supermarket?

I shop there every week, don't knock it

pip08456 · 23-05-2019, 11:07

Time for a walk up to the polling station.

Pierre · 23-05-2019, 11:27

It will be very interesting to see what the voter turn out is, for a process that is usually in the low £30% bracket.

papa smurf · 23-05-2019, 11:31

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Originally Posted by Pierre

It will be very interesting to see what the voter turn out is, for a process that is usually in the low £30% bracket.

I was the only voter in the polling station when i wen't at 9:30

heero_yuy · 23-05-2019, 11:36

We voted first thing, several other people there, also a very long ballot paper. No party hacks in the entrace hallway, pity, I would have told the Tory to get rid of that bloody woman PDQ.