Brexit

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by Mr K

[Admin Edited]. Apart from Farage, who are the candidates, what are their backgrounds, does anyone care? People don't vote on policies any longer, they just vote to on a whim, who to 'stick it to'. The practical consequences on them are irrelevant. That's tomorrow's problem, live for today and instant gratification ....

The Brexit party would not exist had we left the EU in March. I wonder why we didn't?

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[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by Mr K

[Admin Edited].Apart from Farage, who are the candidates, what are their backgrounds, does anyone care? People don't vote on policies any longer, they just vote to on a whim, who to 'stick it to'. The practical consequences on them are irrelevant. That's tomorrow's problem, live for today and instant gratification ....

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Of course people vote on policies, Mr K. The Brexit Party doesn't have a manifesto because it is standing for EU elections on the basis that it will get us out of the EU. That is all we need to know about the Brexit Party for that purpose. There is little point anyway in prospective MEPs having a manifesto, because once in Brussels it's the bureaucrats that determine what legislation is put forward, not the politicians. That point seems to have escaped you.

The other point you are ignoring is the intended short duration that UK MEPs are intending to serve.

If the Brexit Party is still fighting elections by the time we get to a General Election, then of course they will have a manifesto, and NG has said as much.

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Of course people vote on policies, Mr K. The Brexit Party doesn't have a manifesto because it is standing for EU elections on the basis that it will get us out of the EU. That is all we need to know about the Brexit Party for that purpose. There is little point anyway in prospective MEPs having a manifesto, because once in Brussels it's the bureaucrats that determine what legislation is put forward, not the politicians. That point seems to have escaped you.

The other point you are ignoring is the intended short duration that UK MEPs are intending to serve.

If the Brexit Party is still fighting elections by the time we get to a General Election, then of course they will have a manifesto, and NG has said as much.

Who's NG?

I guess he meant NF

Originally Posted by Mick

Keep up with the pathetic one sided smears.

I laugh at those here who don’t bother to ask questions about Remain party donations, all this, whose funding who, bullshit, won’t stop me casting my vote for Brexit Party and I suspect it won’t for others who are determined to do so.

In other news. Brexit Party surges into second place in Scotland according to The Scotsman.

How is it a smear?- a smear is to "damage the reputation of (someone) by false accusations; slander".

Arron Banks has admitted he gave the money to Nigel Farage - it is not a false accusation, but a fact.

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by Hugh

How is it a smear?- a smear is to "damage the reputation of (someone) by false accusations; slander".

Arron Banks has admitted he gave the money to Nigel Farage - it is not a false accusation, but a fact.

How much money does Banks say he gave to Farage? Please post source.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by pip08456

Who's NG?

Sorry, finger slip. I meant NF!

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Sorry, finger slip. I meant NF!

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by Hugh

How is it a smear?- a smear is to "damage the reputation of (someone) by false accusations; slander".

Arron Banks has admitted he gave the money to Nigel Farage - it is not a false accusation, but a fact.

Maybe we should open a new thread on donations and the financial management of campaigns. This thread is about Brexit, and that's just a diversion.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Maybe we should open a new thread on donations and the financial management of campaigns. This thread is about Brexit, and that's just a diversion.

How key protagonists in the Brexit debate -are funded - be they Change UK or the Brexit Party - is relevant to the debate, however uncomfortable it might be.
You can support or oppose Brexit separately to wanting robust scrutiny of funding. Mixing the two is a diversionary tactic..

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

How key protagonists in the Brexit debate -are funded - be they Change UK or the Brexit Party - is relevant to the debate, however uncomfortable it might be.
You can support or oppose Brexit separately to wanting robust scrutiny of funding. Mixing the two is a diversionary tactic..

I'm not at all uncomfortable and our Nige denies wrongdoing. However, if he does get criticised for this in the end, it does not change the argument for Brexit, does it?
As I said, the expenses issue is a diversion from where the future of our country lies.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

I'm not at all uncomfortable and our Nige denies wrongdoing. However, if he does get criticised for this in the end, it does not change the argument for Brexit, does it?
As I said, the expenses issue is a diversion from where the future of our country lies.

If key protagonists on any side of a debate are found to be acting against the law or the spirit of the law then it weakens them as spokespeople for their arguments.
In the case of Nigel Farage, he has such a simple message and powerful personality that I doubt his supporters will do much critical thinking if anything unlawful is exposed. In the case of Change UK, they have few supporters and minimal funding that I doubt they have had the opportunity to do anything unlawful.

Oh be under no illusion, no discomfort here at all, totally satisfied with which party I support, no amount of smearing will stop me. Brexit must happen, that’s what democracy decided. So I will support whichever party has the balls to stand up to the EU, which was seen on secret tape, boasting that it had turned us in to a colony.

[1andrew1]

The reactions by Farage and his supporters make for more uncomfortable viewing than the filler moments in Eurovision. And that takes a lot!